Texas/ESPN and KU talking to the Big East

**Tornado man** · 11-30-2010, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Jarrods79

So you read that more as KU being an ambassador of sorts for the north? I guess I really didn't see it that way...from all the events over the summer it is "trust no one".

I see this the same way. For all parties concerned.
For example, if ISU somehow was invited to join the Big Ten, would Geoffroy and Pollard care one wit about this supposed Big 12 North alliance?

**tazclone** · 11-30-2010, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jarrods79

Am I the only one that didn't like the tone of this report when mentioning KU was talking to the Big East? It sounds like they are trying to undercut us and it is "every school for themselves" type of deal going on again.

From what I have heard, Mizzou, KSU, KU and ISU joined together and were planning to stick together. KU's outgoing AD Perkins was a very good person to have leading the talks.

**MLawrence** · 11-30-2010, 07:35 PM

Is the Big Ten even done expanding? I thought that I read something after Nebraska want to the Big Ten that Jim Delany wants to keep all of his options open and was still looking into expansion, which would fit the original time table of finding a new team or teams in 12-18 month time period.

**tazclone** · 11-30-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Heard this too, I hope that dip **** Giggles was listening to.

I hope Chris was listening because he is right on board with that POS

**UNIGuy4Cy** · 11-30-2010, 07:38 PM

Who is KUs AD now?

**tazclone** · 11-30-2010, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

What would be interesting is if the current Big East swiftly moved to 16, bringing in TCU, the 4 Big 12 schools and say a couple of ACC schools. All of a sudden with that kind of massive footprint, it could be insanely marketable to TV.

This what people miss out when they discuss the current Big East TV revenue. The Big East is in the process of developing their own Network and will most likely build it off the big ten channel model. That means X dollars for every household. While the football won't be as marketable as the big 10, the basketball will be worth more than any other conference. Their footprint would be the Missouri River East and Texas. It would be over half the US. The only markets it would miss out on are Denver, Salt Lake and the West Coast. They would not be able to get the same $$ per viewer but they would have 2-3 times as many viewers.
If they added the forgotten four

**tazclone** · 11-30-2010, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by UNIGuy4Cy

Who is KUs AD now?

No one. Perkins left earlier this year and they have a search committee. They will reportedly announce a new AD in the next week or two. I would think JP would be the best AD to lead up any talks for the four in the future. He is by far the strongest AD of the four- IMO

**twojman** · 11-30-2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

They can make all that $ by staying in the Big 12. They don't have to share it. Again, my question remains unanswered.

With the talks right now Texas is going to get about $35 million/year for TV revenue that the Big 12 is splitting up and the independent deal with the Big 12. My guess is they would get at least $10 million more per year if they were to go independent as they would not need to share TV money for football and basketball. I bet they would get more though because ad revenue and the like. The big thing is that Texas would not have to share any TV money for basketball and football, these are the money makers. They would make more then they are now. Would it be crazy to think that ESPN would give Texas an exclusive TV package for $50 Million/year?

**tazclone** · 11-30-2010, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

Everyone says this, but no one ever says WHY. What does Texas gain from going Independent that they can't have in a non-revenue share Big 12?

I've asked this question 100 times, and not once has anyone given a rational answer.

Same people saying that are the same people that pimp getting Notre Dame in the Big 12 or say Notre Dame will go to the Big 10. In other words, they have no reason but it seems cool to say it.

**Al_4_State** · 11-30-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by twojman

With the talks right now Texas is going to get about $35 million/year for TV revenue that the Big 12 is splitting up and the independent deal with the Big 12. My guess is they would get at least $10 million more per year if they were to go independent as they would not need to share TV money for football and basketball. I bet they would get more though because ad revenue and the like. The big thing is that Texas would not have to share any TV money for basketball and football, these are the money makers. They would make more then they are now. Would it be crazy to think that ESPN would give Texas an exclusive TV package for $50 Million/year?

In the current Big 12, they don't need to share their broadcast money.

**twojman** · 11-30-2010, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

In the current Big 12, they don't need to share their broadcast money.

There is some revenue sharing in the Big 12, just not equal. Texas would stand to gain a huge windfall if they struck out on their own. A majority of the money going to the Big 12 via TV contract is because Texas is in the league. Texas can command a huge sum of money on their own they would not need to split with anyone. I do not think $50 Million/year from ESPN for all sports is out of the question. This would be a net gain of $15 million/year from what Texas is assumed to be getting. ($20 million new tv deal along with $15 million for non revenue sports) I know ISU would jump to get a 40% gain in tv revenue annually.

**Al_4_State** · 11-30-2010, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by tazclone

Same people saying that are the same people that pimp getting Notre Dame in the Big 12 or say Notre Dame will go to the Big 10. In other words, they have no reason but it seems cool to say it.

The Big 12 allows schools to have all the benefits of both independence via having their own TV contracts, but also provides the benefits of a conference set up.

You can have your cake and eat it too, in the Big 12.

**Al_4_State** · 11-30-2010, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by twojman

There is some revenue sharing in the Big 12, just not equal. Texas would stand to gain a huge windfall if they struck out on their own. A majority of the money going to the Big 12 via TV contract is because Texas is in the league. Texas can command a huge sum of money on their own they would not need to split with anyone. I do not think $50 Million/year from ESPN for all sports is out of the question. This would be a net gain of $15 million/year from what Texas is assumed to be getting. ($20 million new tv deal along with $15 million for non revenue sports) I know ISU would jump to get a 40% gain in tv revenue annually.

I was under the impression that currently in the Big 12, there wasn't any revenue sharing of broadcast money. Bowl money, yes. Broadcast money, no.

I'm not convinced that Texas can get more money as an Independent than they can in the Big 12. For ESPN's sake, they'd certainly get more $ from the Big 12 as a whole, than Texas alone.

**thatguy** · 11-30-2010, 08:00 PM

I am ThatGuy and I fully support a move to the Big East.

**twojman** · 11-30-2010, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

I was under the impression that currently in the Big 12, there wasn't any revenue sharing of broadcast money. Bowl money, yes. Broadcast money, no.

I'm not convinced that Texas can get more money as an Independent than they can in the Big 12. For ESPN's sake, they'd certainly get more $ from the Big 12 as a whole, than Texas alone.

I will have to find it but I think 50% of the TV money is split equally. The other 50% is based on television appearances. If you are the feature game on ABC you would get a bigger chunk then if you were a regional game on ABC or on FOX. You get $0 if you are on Fox College Sports.