Why Pinkel is NOT an elite coach...

**jburke** · 12-29-2010, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Irresponsible

The defense that made Marcus Coker look like the second coming of Barry Sanders played well enough to win?! Gabbart isn't the only one who shoulders blame for the loss.

I know the 2 picks definitely hurt, but early on there were a lot of dropped passes which dug them into a tough hole to get out of. they did get out of it but the errors down the stretch came back to haunt them....

**Wesley** · 12-29-2010, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by SuperCy

While there may be truth to that, he wasn't the one who threw two Pick Sixes last night either. It's awfully hard to win games when your offense give up 14 points.

Gabbert continues to make big mistakes.

**Steve** · 12-29-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

Gabbert continues to make big mistakes.

But not enough to turn off NFL GM's who covet him. If he comes out this year, he is probably a late 1st round pick and possibly the 2nd QB off the board. If he stays around for the 2012 draft, he has a chance to be the top pick in the draft.

**Erik4Cy** · 12-29-2010, 11:07 PM

no he is not an elite coach and i haven't really heard anyone including him up there with the big names either...that being said. would've loved to have Missouri's problems this year over our 3 game debacle at the end of the year...

**mustangcy** · 12-29-2010, 11:18 PM

Mizzou being at such a high level (elite or not) is bad for ISU. We need to be competitive with Mizzou year in and year out for ISU as a program to successful. It's going to be very difficult to compete with the south teams and Iowa every year. We need to beat the remaining northern teams and we need to beat them consistantly or ISU will continue to lavish in the lower tier of the Big 12 and will continue to stay home in December. We should all get on our knees and pray Pinkle leaves Mizzou and is replaced by a bum.

**xboxfever** · 12-29-2010, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by CYCRAZY

This is funny because they are one in the same. Lots of talent but yet **** it away in crunch time year after year. I am confused on how you dont think they are similar. I will give Zook a pass on the Rose Bowl in 07 because that team from USC was loaded and they could have probably beat any other team in the country. Otherwise they are similiar. And your statement on how the Qb throw 2 interceptions is worhtless that happens every game blah blah blah the coach obviously cant control that.

Comparing him to Ron Zook is laughable. Pinkel has won 40 games the last 4 years. That is 10 wins a season. He is not even close to being as good a recruiter as Zook. Zook was fired from Florida because he couldn't coach with the ridiculous talent he had, and he is repeating the same story at Illinois. Pinkel is a good coach. You do not win 40 games in 4 years by being just a good recruiter. Ask Ron Zook.

**Tre4ISU** · 12-29-2010, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

But not enough to turn off NFL GM's who covet him. If he comes out this year, he is probably a late 1st round pick and possibly the 2nd QB off the board. If he stays around for the 2012 draft, he has a chance to be the top pick in the draft.

Depending on the CBA, if your a QB and are going to be drafted, I think you have to go this year. There is a huge need for QBs right now.

**cyfan15** · 12-30-2010, 12:20 AM

Pinkel has done an excellent job keeping his staff together for the most part, developing a system that works, finding the right players for that system, and eventually recruiting better players after having some success. What he's done with Mizzou is a pretty good model for what you have to do to have sustained success if you aren't a traditional power. Same goes for what Ferentz has done at Iowa.

That said, every once in a while Pinkel makes an obvious boneheaded decision, but like Les Miles, he almost always gets away with it somehow.

**XLK9** · 12-30-2010, 07:12 AM

If pre-Rhoads, ISU had a chance to get a 8-10 win/year coach (like Zook or Pinkie), would we have been satisfied to get that coach?

Point being, the coaching pyramid (worst coaches near the bottom, elite coaches near the point at the top) is very small group at the top that can recruit the talent, coach the talent, and consistently be in the top 10 at the end of the year. It is a very, very small group of coaches that can take those last two or three steps at the top of the pyramid and become 'elite'.

Bottom line: Are Zook or Pinkie 'elite' coaches? No. Would the majority of the CFB programs around the country be happy to have them? I say yes - because they would be happy with 8-10 wins and a bowl game every year.

**flander1649** · 12-30-2010, 07:48 AM

Zook has never won 10 games at Illinois (only over .500 twice) and I don't think he won 10 games at florida. His first bowl win was last night. I wouldn't ever say he is a second tier coach without ever having a 10 win season maybe a second tier recruiter.

**CarolinaCy** · 12-30-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by xboxfever

Comparing him to Ron Zook is laughable. Pinkel has won 40 games the last 4 years. That is 10 wins a season. He is not even close to being as good a recruiter as Zook. Zook was fired from Florida because he couldn't coach with the ridiculous talent he had, and he is repeating the same story at Illinois. Pinkel is a good coach. You do not win 40 games in 4 years by being just a good recruiter. Ask Ron Zook.

Yup, 40 wins in the last 4 seasons. Now, other than the OU win this near, name one big win that they've had.

The OWH had a good article about Pinkel and Mizzou after the NU-MU game earlier this fall.

Barfknecht: Same old Pinkel, same old Mizzou - Omaha.com

**CTTB78** · 12-30-2010, 08:26 AM

Gabbert did make a couple of huge mistakes, but he didn't give up 200 yards rushing either.

**CyBobby** · 12-30-2010, 08:52 AM

Pinkel?...Pinkel you say.

Yeah, well as long as mizzou has a powder puff non conference schedule and can win 3 conf games, the poorly coached tigers will go to a Bowl Game Every Year!!!

Kinda makes me wish that I had a pinkel on my team. aka someone smart enough to schedule a powder puff non conference slate of games.

Bowls Rock...........Staying Home Sucks!!

**Clones85'** · 12-30-2010, 10:19 AM

Pinkel is 20X the coach that Ron Zook is. I don't like Pinkel but come on Zook is awful. What is Zook's record against Pinkel? 0-6? It isn't good.

**Tre4ISU** · 12-30-2010, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

Yup, 40 wins in the last 4 seasons. Now, other than the OU win this near, name one big win that they've had.

The OWH had a good article about Pinkel and Mizzou after the NU-MU game earlier this fall.

Barfknecht: Same old Pinkel, same old Mizzou - Omaha.com

Are you kidding? Name one big win Zook has had outside of the Ohio State game. He has had zero. DOes he even have 30 wins in the last 4 years? I doubt it and up until this year, he has played in a weaker conference. It's not close.