TV Money = 13 mill a year per school plus "Big XII" Network creation

[cyclonestate]

hawkfan,

It must make you feel good to come over to this board and try to pee all over the Cyclone fans' wheaties.

You're right about one thing - Iowa State would indeed be better off financially if they were in the Big 10. However, the financial gap between the two conferences is about to narrow dramatically, and it's apparent that this makes you feel very uncomfortable.

While you're busy puffing out your Big 10 chest for all of us to see, please remember that the University of Iowa lucked out big-time a hundred years ago when they got in early on the formation of the Big 10. If the Big 10 conference were forming right now, I doubt the University of Iowa would be considered for membership.

It's like you're riding around in the back seat of your big brother's nice car sticking your tongue out at everyone else as if you had anything to do with that nice car.

[swarthmoreCY]

hahahaha hawkfan you are priceless.

I love it. He is owned.

[jbhtexas]

Just because I'm a hawk fan doesn't mean I want to see ISU relegated to MAC status. I truly would love to see ISU in a 16 team Big East. Ultimately, I think the Big East will lose Syracuse, Pitt, and Rutgers to either the ACC or Big Ten (those three teams have desirable TV demographics on their side). I'd like to see the Big East respond to those losses by going to an all football member conference (kick out the basketball only type schools) and go to 16 with:

It has been pretty much decided that 16-team conferences aren't going to happen. Move on please.

Midwest

ISU
Mizzou
Kansas
KSU

Southwest

TTech
Baylor
TCU
Houston

Southeast

USF
UCF
????
????

Northeast

West Virginia
Uconn
Cincy
Louisville

Something like that would be great for ISU IMO. Even if you'd make less initially, you'd have some really big TV markets in that conference, and as long as equal revenue sharing was guaranteed from the outset, the unequal revenue would never be a problem.

Something like this would be a disaster for ISU. Big TV markets are irrelevant if there aren't any teams in the conference that people want to watch. In case you've forgotten, football primarily drives these TV deals...

Ultimately, being in a conference with such financial disparity will never benefit ISU....being in one with economic equality will....even if that means taking a pay cut initially.

So if ISU needs to leave the Big 12 for a different conference because of revenue disparity, should Northwestern leave the Big Ten as well?

Grand total revenue 2009-2010:
Ohio State University-Main Campus: $123,174,176
Northwestern University: $48,921,823

The above may seem far fetched, but those are my thoughts on the matter.

The bolded phrase isn't quite the term that came to mind when I read your thoughts. Just stop already...

[hawkfan]

It has been pretty much decided that 16-team conferences aren't going to happen. Move on please.

LOL! Yeah, by jbhtexas. You are the czar of conference expansion, so if you say it, it must be true! I'd be willing to bet my house that there will be a 16 team BCS conference in my lifetime, whether you agree or not, I couldn't care less.

Something like this would be a disaster for ISU. Big TV markets are irrelevant if there aren't any teams in the conference that people want to watch. In case you've forgotten, football primarily drives these TV deals...

Yeah, and the last century in the Big 8/12 has proven to be real rosy, right? Again, being in a BCS conference generates TV money, schools with huge followings certainly help, but a BCS a****id automatically guarantees athletic revenue. Winning generates more money than anything else. Period. How much has ISU won in the Big 8/12?

So if ISU needs to leave the Big 12 for a different conference because of revenue disparity, should Northwestern should leave the Big Ten as well?

Grand total revenue 2009-2010:
Ohio State University-Main Campus: $123,174,176
Northwestern University: $48,921,823

And where precisely would NW improve their position? Next.

[CYphyllis]

Yes, because this new TV contract is the end all be all in determining conference's long term sustainability. You realize that if Fox ponies up this money, but ends up losing a **** load on it, the Big 12 will permanently fall apart, correct?

This deal got put in place because a conference commissioner got on his knees and begged a TV network to save his job....and Fox, who has desperately been trying to get back into college football, decided to throw him a bone. If Fox doesn't make money on this thing...and that certainly isn't a given, you just as well buy the Big 12 a tombstone.

The Big 12's population demographics pretty much ensure its eventual demise - so long as TV dollars are the primary revenue source for athletic departments.

Population per square mile:

Big Ten States: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 States: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 Less Texas: 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Texas will continue to treat the Big 12 like it is Texas' ***** and all Big 12 teams can do is take it so long as you are in the Texas conference. Your TV contract is worth absolutely nothing without the state of Texas. Conversely, Texas is worth a lot of money to the TV networks and other conferences - so they're always going to be a primary goal of other conferences.

Most of you miss the point when discussing the Big Ten's TV dominance. You always say "I bet OSU is going to be ****** now that Texas has this great deal". No, they won't be. Ohio doesn't have EVERY major TV market in the conference within its own state. Even though OSU does have a great TV following in its home state, there are plenty of Buckeye fans in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. All those states have MAJOR TV markets, and those TV markets help sustain OSU athletics.

In the Big 12, you have ALL the Texas markets, then there is KC/St Louis. That's it. One major TV market outside the state of Texas. Texas doesn't gain anything by having its product in any other Big 12 state because the population isn't there to support it. If the state of Texas left the Big 12, the Big 12 would be ******. OSU could leave the Big Ten and the Big Ten would still have pretty much the same population per square mile (Ohio is the 3rd largest Big Ten state). Here are the population per square mile numbers:

Big Ten: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 (Minus Texas): 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Again, so long as TV revenue is the athletic department's primary means of TV revenue, there is always going to be a huge gap in the Big 12, and that will always cause discontent amongst conference members, and that will always fuel rumors of the conference's demise. Further, the Big 12 will permanently be behind the Big 10 and the SEC with regard to TV dollars because of demographics, and that fact will always leave Big 12 members feeling unfulfilled.

Honestly, if I were an ISU fan, I'd rather join the Big East with guaranteed equal revenue sharing than be in the Big 12 where Texas lords over all.

Good thing you aren't an ISU fan, because that would be horrible.

Honestly I didn't read any of the other drivel of this post, I assume it has something to do with how you claimed the B12 was dead nearly a year ago (general guess) and it's still alive and kicking - therefore you feel the need to throw out a bunch of baseless ********. Next time, save it.

[alarson]

And where precisely would NW improve their position? Next.

Clearly, the big east, since thats what you advocate ISU do.

If the numbers were even close as far as revenue, id be all for the big east. I see the benefits there. But the money we'll get from the big 12 blows the big east out of the water. And its not like the big east is entirely stable either. If youre someone who believes that 16 team conferences will happen, you also know that the big east is likely to get poached.

[sunset]

Yes, because this new TV contract is the end all be all in determining conference's long term sustainability. You realize that if Fox ponies up this money, but ends up losing a **** load on it, the Big 12 will permanently fall apart, correct?

This deal got put in place because a conference commissioner got on his knees and begged a TV network to save his job....and Fox, who has desperately been trying to get back into college football, decided to throw him a bone. If Fox doesn't make money on this thing...and that certainly isn't a given, you just as well buy the Big 12 a tombstone.

The Big 12's population demographics pretty much ensure its eventual demise - so long as TV dollars are the primary revenue source for athletic departments.

Population per square mile:

Big Ten States: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 States: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 Less Texas: 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Texas will continue to treat the Big 12 like it is Texas' ***** and all Big 12 teams can do is take it so long as you are in the Texas conference. Your TV contract is worth absolutely nothing without the state of Texas. Conversely, Texas is worth a lot of money to the TV networks and other conferences - so they're always going to be a primary goal of other conferences.

Most of you miss the point when discussing the Big Ten's TV dominance. You always say "I bet OSU is going to be ****** now that Texas has this great deal". No, they won't be. Ohio doesn't have EVERY major TV market in the conference within its own state. Even though OSU does have a great TV following in its home state, there are plenty of Buckeye fans in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. All those states have MAJOR TV markets, and those TV markets help sustain OSU athletics.

In the Big 12, you have ALL the Texas markets, then there is KC/St Louis. That's it. One major TV market outside the state of Texas. Texas doesn't gain anything by having its product in any other Big 12 state because the population isn't there to support it. If the state of Texas left the Big 12, the Big 12 would be ******. OSU could leave the Big Ten and the Big Ten would still have pretty much the same population per square mile (Ohio is the 3rd largest Big Ten state). Here are the population per square mile numbers:

Big Ten: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 (Minus Texas): 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Again, so long as TV revenue is the athletic department's primary means of TV revenue, there is always going to be a huge gap in the Big 12, and that will always cause discontent amongst conference members, and that will always fuel rumors of the conference's demise. Further, the Big 12 will permanently be behind the Big 10 and the SEC with regard to TV dollars because of demographics, and that fact will always leave Big 12 members feeling unfulfilled.

Honestly, if I were an ISU fan, I'd rather join the Big East with guaranteed equal revenue sharing than be in the Big 12 where Texas lords over all.

I stopped reading at the bolded. Nobody throws around billion dollar "bones".

[weR138]

Yeah, and the last century in the Big 8/12 has proven to be real rosy, right? Again, being in a BCS conference generates TV money, schools with huge followings certainly help, but a BCS a****id automatically guarantees athletic revenue. Winning generates more money than anything else. Period. How much has ISU won in the Big 8/12?

So, hawkfan, do you have a point? I mean besides "ISU is ****ed and just doesn't know it yet"? If ISU has no storied football tradition and no population base and is not lucky enough to be in the B10 (like Iowa) what can we do about our imminent demise?

Where does UT go, you know to facilitate ISU's oblivion? The Pac 10? The ACC? Tell me how it happens.

[BryceC]

Yeah, and the last century in the Big 8/12 has proven to be real rosy, right? Again, being in a BCS conference generates TV money, schools with huge followings certainly help, but a BCS a****id automatically guarantees athletic revenue. Winning generates more money than anything else. Period. How much has ISU won in the Big 8/12?

Winning generates more money than anything else? Then why does ISU have a bigger budget than Boise State and Utah? It's because of TV contracts.

Also, your Big East idea is ridiculous for several reasons. The travel to get to all of those destinations for all the programs would be astronomically more expensive, we have absolutely zero history with all of those schools, and the Big East is an absolute dog of a conference when it comes to TV. There is a reason they play a ton of their games on Thursday nights. Also, we recruit a ton of Texas kids and going to a conference with one team in Texas versus four is not great in that regard either.

The Big 12-2 is exactly where ISU should be. This deal does nothing but help the conference and ISU. As others have said, who knows what happens 13 years from now when this deal is. Honestly your opinions in this thread are not only ridiculous they are flat out stupid.

[jbhtexas]

LOL! Yeah, by jbhtexas. You are the czar of conference expansion, so if you say it, it must be true! I'd be willing to bet my house that there will be a 16 team BCS conference in my lifetime, whether you agree or not, I couldn't care less.

No it wasn't decided by me...it was decided by the TV networks that allowed the 10-team Big 12 to keep all of their TV revenue so the conference would stay intact, thus halting the Big Ten/Pac-12 plan for 16-team superconferences.

but a BCS a****id automatically guarantees athletic revenue.

Unless the school doesn't sell their ticket allotment, in which case a BCS bid generates debt, as we've seen this past season.

Winning generates more money than anything else. Period. How much has ISU won in the Big 8/12?

Why would ISU win more in a 16-team conference with less TV exposure?

And where precisely would NW improve their position? Next.

By your logic, NW would improve their position in a 16-team Big East, because even though they would get less TV money, they would supposedly have the opportunity to win more and thus get more money that way, since you proposed above that winning generates more money than anything else. At least that's what I think you are suggesting would happen...

You should have taken my advice to stop posting...maybe you will take the advice this time...

[CyBroncos]

I'm sure fans would be beating down the doors of the ticket office to get season tickets with a home schedule that included Kansas, Baylor, Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, UCF

[twojman]

And free enterprise ensures that the Big 12 will never be ahead of the Big 10/SEC in terms of TV dollars. It also ensures that ISU/Kansas/KSU/Etc. will always be way behind in the college football facilities arms race.

Again, this is a temporary fix for a very serious problem for the Big 12. If you think this irrevocably solves all the Big 12's problems, you aren't very well schooled on the situation.

...and with all those advantages the Big 10 enjoys for the most part they do not compete well with the SEC/BIg 12 on the field.

[canker2323]

Call me old fashioned, but I liked college football a lot more when the money wasn't such a big part.

A school's prospects for conference affiliation being determined by the demographics of the region rather than the merits of the school sucks.

It is what it is, but I don't like it.

[aeroclone]

I'm sure fans would be beating down the doors of the ticket office to get season tickets with a home schedule that included Kansas, Baylor, Houston, Louisville, Cincinnati, UCF

To be fair, quality of opponent doesn't seem to do much to influence ticket sales for ISU. We seem to fill the stands better for an early season game with a UNLV, Northern Illinois, Kent State than we do a little later on against a great program like OU or UT.

Not sure what the driver is: likelihood of winning, early season momentum, weather, whatever else. But just slapping a top 10 team on the schedule hasn't shown to do anything to boost our ticket sales.

There are plenty of good arguments to be made against ISU to the Big East, but reduced attendance as a result of fewer top tier football teams on the schedule doesn't seem to be one of them.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Yes, because this new TV contract is the end all be all in determining conference's long term sustainability. You realize that if Fox ponies up this money, but ends up losing a **** load on it, the Big 12 will permanently fall apart, correct?

This deal got put in place because a conference commissioner got on his knees and begged a TV network to save his job....and Fox, who has desperately been trying to get back into college football, decided to throw him a bone. If Fox doesn't make money on this thing...and that certainly isn't a given, you just as well buy the Big 12 a tombstone.

The Big 12's population demographics pretty much ensure its eventual demise - so long as TV dollars are the primary revenue source for athletic departments.

Population per square mile:

Big Ten States: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 States: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 Less Texas: 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Texas will continue to treat the Big 12 like it is Texas' ***** and all Big 12 teams can do is take it so long as you are in the Texas conference. Your TV contract is worth absolutely nothing without the state of Texas. Conversely, Texas is worth a lot of money to the TV networks and other conferences - so they're always going to be a primary goal of other conferences.

Most of you miss the point when discussing the Big Ten's TV dominance. You always say "I bet OSU is going to be ****** now that Texas has this great deal". No, they won't be. Ohio doesn't have EVERY major TV market in the conference within its own state. Even though OSU does have a great TV following in its home state, there are plenty of Buckeye fans in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. All those states have MAJOR TV markets, and those TV markets help sustain OSU athletics.

In the Big 12, you have ALL the Texas markets, then there is KC/St Louis. That's it. One major TV market outside the state of Texas. Texas doesn't gain anything by having its product in any other Big 12 state because the population isn't there to support it. If the state of Texas left the Big 12, the Big 12 would be ******. OSU could leave the Big Ten and the Big Ten would still have pretty much the same population per square mile (Ohio is the 3rd largest Big Ten state). Here are the population per square mile numbers:

Big Ten: 126 People Per Square Mile
Big 12: 74.25 People Per Square Mile
Big 12 (Minus Texas): 55.72 People Per Square Mile

Again, so long as TV revenue is the athletic department's primary means of TV revenue, there is always going to be a huge gap in the Big 12, and that will always cause discontent amongst conference members, and that will always fuel rumors of the conference's demise. Further, the Big 12 will permanently be behind the Big 10 and the SEC with regard to TV dollars because of demographics, and that fact will always leave Big 12 members feeling unfulfilled.

Honestly, if I were an ISU fan, I'd rather join the Big East with guaranteed equal revenue sharing than be in the Big 12 where Texas lords over all.

So you think FSN is not looking at past ratings and desire for Big 12 football before throwing all this money at the Big 12?

I will also say this, ND coming to the Big 12 is looking more and more realistic. Can you imagine the money they could make?