Larry Scott says the Pac12 isn't done expanding

[CYphyllis]

I think you all need to grab your repent signs and hit the streets.

[cykadelic2]

This will end amateur college athletics as we know it for those 64 (or more I guess) schools that choose to do this.

First, given the money involved, it is very unlikely that this new organization, which would be formed clearly for profit, would obtain a non-profit status, which will open the door to challenges of the non-profit status of the member university ADs themselves.

Secondly, as this new organization will be for-profit, it will have do deal with labor issues relating to it's players, possibly leading to players' unions, CBAs, etc.

The NCAA has been able to fend off challenges to its and its members' non-profit status and its labor arrangement with its players, largely, IMO, because of its tradition, and not because of factual circumstances. There will be no such tradition to protect this new organization.

This new organization will essentially be a semi-pro for-profit business, and should be treated as such. For schools like UT and tOSU, most of their revenue comes from donors. Once donors can no longer get a tax write-off, donations will plummet. TV revenue won't make that up. In fact, I would expect TV revenue to actually drop in some areas, such as basketball. March Madness will effectively be gone. CWS will be gone.

I don't think these schools really want to go there, although people like Larry Scott clearly do.

Agree with everything here.

hawkfan's "theory" is full of holes, including making the faulty assumption that 64 college presidents are going to buy off on the idea. Most of the idiots who present this crap think guys like Larry Scott and Jim Delaney run the universities, too.

[CycloneErik]

Agree with everything here.

hawkfan's "theory" is full of holes, including making the faulty assumption that 64 college presidents are going to buy off on the idea. Most of the idiots who present this crap think guys like Larry Scott and Jim Delaney run the universities, too.

Was it hawkfan that posted the tweet about UNC and Duke to the Big Ten? (I think it was.)

That was one of the more laughable ideas I've seen.

[CYphyllis]

Agree with everything here.

hawkfan's "theory" is full of holes, including making the faulty assumption that 64 college presidents are going to buy off on the idea. Most of the idiots who present this crap think guys like Larry Scott and Jim Delaney run the universities, too.

Everytime the word 'realignment' shows up in a conversation, Hawkfan gets the unresistable urge to milk his prostate.

There is a real world factor that most of the message board psychopaths always seem to conveniently leave out of their preaching:

He who has the money, makes the decisions.

Larry Scott is not the 'he' in that equation.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

My question is who thought of these super conferences? Ok so they form 4 of them at 16 teams a piece, first off how long do they last at that size for a couple reasons: conferences have a hard time keeping schools happy and content along with looking out for all schools best interests now, add more teams, add more problems. Can anyone image trying to keep Texas, Texas A&M happy all the time? Also is this suppose to be the end, 16 teams, no teams will break off, no teams will be added? Conferences have changed endlessly over time, who thinks that a 16 team conference is the end all be all? I believe some of this related to how the NCAA basketball tournament was set up, but even that expanded and will continue to expand. So too will these conferences, just because you hit 16 does not mean changes wont happen.

[CycloneErik]

Everytime the word 'realignment' shows up in a conversation, Hawkfan gets the unresistable urge to milk his prostate.

There is a real world factor that most of the message board psychopaths always seem to conveniently leave out of their preaching:

He who has the money, makes the decisions.

Larry Scott is not the 'he' in that equation.

And he who has to make noise about what he will do probably doesn't actually have the influence now to do it.

Scott is all talk. He failed with this last year, and there aren't logical choices looking to line up with him. But he can't face that, so he makes the public noise about it now.

[hawkfan]

Was it hawkfan that posted the tweet about UNC and Duke to the Big Ten? (I think it was.)

That was one of the more laughable ideas I've seen.

Jon Wilner is a sports Journalist for the San Jose Mercury news. He is widely believed to be "connected" with Larry Scott.

It't not like I posted a tweet from some random persons twitter account. Wilner at least has some credibility on the West Coast.

Agree with everything here.

hawkfan's "theory" is full of holes, including making the faulty assumption that 64 college presidents are going to buy off on the idea. Most of the idiots who present this crap think guys like Larry Scott and Jim Delaney run the universities, too.

Yeah, because I'm sure that the university presidents would hate the idea of having North Carolina, Virginia, & Duke in the CIC.

Everytime the word 'realignment' shows up in a conversation, Hawkfan gets the unresistable urge to milk his prostate.

There is a real world factor that most of the message board psychopaths always seem to conveniently leave out of their preaching:

He who has the money, makes the decisions.

So what you're saying is, if the money makes sense, the presidents will agree? Right?

I don't think 3 of the 4 most powerful commissioners in the NCAA would be discussing further expansion unless it was going to make financial sense.

[CYphyllis]

And he who has to make noise about what he will do probably doesn't actually have the influence now to do it.

Scott is all talk. He failed with this last year, and there aren't logical choices looking to line up with him. But he can't face that, so he makes the public noise about it now.

Exactly. Larry Scott is an employee for the P12, nothing more, nothing less. He is at the whim of powerful universities and powerful media companies.

The Pac12 made a massive deal with FOX. The B12 made a 1.13B deal with FOX and in a few years could very possibly be in even deeper with the company. Does anyone actually believe that FOX is going to sit back and allow Larry Scott of all people go in and start wrecking their billion dollar investment plus future endeavors into a medium they are desperately trying to get in to?

Sports is where the advertising dollars are the largest (thanks DVR!) and those numbers are going to continue to grow, FOX/ESPN/Comcast/CBS know this and the last thing they want is less properties to get their hands on.

People keep bringing up the fact that CFB is a business yet they throw simple business ideals out the window as soon as realignment comes up. I don't know if it's lack of simple intelligence, a sociopathic need to watch universities fall or the fact that half of the users on a message board wear tinfoil in public.

[CycloneErik]

Nice work, hawkfan. Enjoyable stuff.

They aren't all talking expansion, see. The SEC commissioner's comments were pretty plain that he was not looking to expand. The ACC isn't talking about this.

I doubt that Larry Scott has the power you want him to have after his debacle last year.

[CYphyllis]

Jon Wilner is a sports Journalist for the San Jose Mercury news. He is widely believed to be "connected" with Larry Scott.

It't not like I posted a tweet from some random persons twitter account. Wilner at least has some credibility on the West Coast.



Yeah, because I'm sure that the university presidents would hate the idea of having North Carolina, Virginia, & Duke in the CIC.



So what you're saying is, if the money makes sense, the presidents will agree? Right?

I don't think 3 of the 4 most powerful commissioners in the NCAA would be discussing further expansion unless it was going to make financial sense.

Don't expect me to respond. You have a clear cut agenda with an incredible bias. You see what you want to see, you create pipe dreams out of nothing and most importantly, I find you to be incredibly annoying.

[CycloneErik]

Don't expect me to respond. You have a clear cut agenda with an incredible bias. You see what you want to see, you create pipe dreams out of nothing and most importantly, I find you to be incredibly annoying.

No, get him going on the academic qualifications for conferences. He's amazing when he gets going on that. Then ask about Nebraska, since they were marginally eligible to begin with.

[00clone]

Scott is all talk. He failed with this last year, and there aren't logical choices looking to line up with him. But he can't face that, so he makes the public noise about it now.

He didn't fail. He got Colorado and Utah. I'll pause now while all stop and let the awe sink in.

I do think Colorado fit better in the PAC, but he only got Colorado because they didn't want to get left standing without a dance partner. Utah was completely an arse saving, spot filling move after he looked like a tool when the grand scheme fell thru.

Yah, I wouldn't really consider Larry to be one of the ones that sets the path for the future.

[tm3308]

No, get him going on the academic qualifications for conferences. He's amazing when he gets going on that. Then ask about Nebraska, since they were marginally eligible to begin with.

Hey, maybe that's just it. We've got to make up for adding a school as lowly in academics as Nebraska, so we'll just add three of the nation's best academic institutions

[CycloneErik]

He didn't fail. He got Colorado and Utah. I'll pause now while all stop and let the awe sink in.

I do think Colorado fit better in the PAC, but he only got Colorado because they didn't want to get left standing without a dance partner. Utah was completely an arse saving, spot filling move after he looked like a tool when the grand scheme fell thru. Out of that, only Colorado looks halfway decent. Only for the reason that I think they fit better there.

Yah, I wouldn't really consider Larry to be one of the ones that sets the path for the future.

Touche. He is a mover and a shaker, the dominant force in college football.

Add to this that some hack in San Jose twittered something that we don't have any context for, and we have a precarious situation.

I guess it's time to start trolling message boards for MAC teams to build new rivalries, if the Mac has the Internet.

[Frak]

No, get him going on the academic qualifications for conferences. He's amazing when he gets going on that. Then ask about Nebraska, since they were marginally eligible to begin with.

Try talking about the benefits of the vaunted CIC. Very ill-informed in the world of academic grants, but he likes to act like he's an expert.