ISU on NIU's forum

**3GenClone** · 08-17-2011, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Since 2000 the Big 10 is 117-19 against the MAC, winning about 86% of the time. If losing 14% of the time = "routinely", I guess you're right.

Coincidentally, in that same timeframe the Big 12 is 28-9 against the MAC, winning 75% of the time.

You can't use head-to-head conference records to try to argue one conference being better than the other. By that logic, the Big East is better than the Big 12 since it's 9-6 against Big 12 teams since 2005, and 14-9 since 2000.

Some posters on this board forget that there are teams other than Western Michigan in the MAC...

**Al_4_State** · 08-17-2011, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Since 2000 the Big 10 is 117-19 against the MAC, winning about 86% of the time. If losing 14% of the time = "routinely", I guess you're right.

Coincidentally, in that same timeframe the Big 12 is 28-9 against the MAC, winning 75% of the time.

You can't use head-to-head conference records to try to argue one conference being better than the other. By that logic, the Big East is better than the Big 12 since it's 9-6 against Big 12 teams since 2005, and 14-9 since 2000.

I think I read (in Phil Steele probably) that the Big East has a winning percentage against BCS conferences as a whole since 2005.

**Tedcyclone** · 08-17-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

Thanks for the link. How about this gem:

"ISU is, for the most part, MAC level. They would fit right in as an upper tier conference contender. They would also become a natural NIU rival."

Wow...

as it stands right now, ISU would destroy the MAC in basketball, and probably win the division in football each year. however the move would hurt recruiting id guess and so imposible to judge where we would be as a university.

the move is stupid, and will not happen. the president and athletic director wont let it.

**stateofmind** · 08-17-2011, 09:08 AM

I was thinking last night, if we did go to the MAC or something similar, I would have to move. We moved back to Iowa to raise our kid and be near family. My home office is now in Denver, and my family has spread out a bit across the U.S. I would be very tempted to move to Colorado simply because I wouldn't be able to bear listening to sports talk around here anymore.

**CYCLNST8** · 08-17-2011, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by weR138

This surely is a bad scenario, say goodbye to;

Our entire coaching staff
Our AD
Anymore football facility upgrades
most of our fans and their money

A non AQ league is not an option for ISU and will not happen.

Oh, I totally agree with you. That's why I said WORST case scenario. We'll never wind up in the MAC no matter how bad Hawkeye & Huskie gomers want it to happen.

**purify** · 08-17-2011, 09:19 AM

Whats interesting is looking over the schools in the MAC, ISU enrollment is on par with some of them and Buffalo has a higher endowment.

Akron has 29,251 students. That's insane to me.

**DRCHIRO** · 08-17-2011, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by CYphyllis

I'd rather they dismantle the athletic program all together then be a part of the MAC.

This

Originally Posted by weR138

This surely is a bad scenario, say goodbye to;

Our entire coaching staff
Our AD
Anymore football facility upgrades
most of our fans and their money

A non AQ league is not an option for ISU and will not happen.

and this

Quit talking about it, not an option

**Gonzo** · 08-17-2011, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

I think I read (in Phil Steele probably) that the Big East has a winning percentage against BCS conferences as a whole since 2005.

Since 2005 the Big East has a winning record against the SEC and Big 12, and a losing record against the ACC (23-26), Pac 10 (3-6), and Big 10 (6-14).

Still, that they have winning % against the SEC and Big 12 is unreal. They're close to even with the ACC. And a big chunk of their record against the Big 10 can be attributed to a pretty sucky Syracuse program going 2-7 in that stretch.

**DurangoCy** · 08-17-2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Since 2005 the Big East has a winning record against the SEC and Big 12, and a losing record against the ACC (23-26), Pac 10 (3-6), and Big 10 (6-14).

Still, that they have winning % against the SEC and Big 12 is unreal. They're close to even with the ACC. And a big chunk of their record against the Big 10 can be attributed to a pretty sucky Syracuse program going 2-7 in that stretch.

I guess sometimes you just know things:
1. SEC Football > Big 12 Football > Big East Football
2. ISU isn't going to be in the MAC anytime soon

**Al_4_State** · 08-17-2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Since 2005 the Big East has a winning record against the SEC and Big 12, and a losing record against the ACC (23-26), Pac 10 (3-6), and Big 10 (6-14).

Still, that they have winning % against the SEC and Big 12 is unreal. They're close to even with the ACC. And a big chunk of their record against the Big 10 can be attributed to a pretty sucky Syracuse program going 2-7 in that stretch.

I've thought for a long time that they're better than they get credit for. The numbers tend to back that up.

Last year was the first year in awhile I thought they sucked.

**CyFan987** · 08-17-2011, 10:00 AM

If this were to be the best option go independent, better then the MAC ffs

**BKLYNCyclone** · 08-17-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by cyfan15

It's obviously BS, but it just shows you the perception that people have. Most of the fans realize ISU is above MAC level, but for whatever reason schools like Minnesota and Indiana are seen as better than us.

Umm... The reason is the "-apolis" associated with both Indiana and Minnesota. TV markets in larger cities...

Des Moines needs to change it's name to Demoineapolis (get rid of the french silent "s" for clarity's sake) and triple in size... Oh, and we have to win games to win tvs. The better we do, the more fans we'll have in state.

**CycloneErik** · 08-17-2011, 10:45 AM

When looking at the Big East records against various conferences, are those numbers factoring in the years that Miami and Boston College were in the conference?

I don't know, since I haven't looked up those two schedules, but that could account for the records looking better than we'd expect.

**MNCyGuy** · 08-17-2011, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

When looking at the Big East records against various conferences, are those numbers factoring in the years that Miami and Boston College were in the conference?

I don't know, since I haven't looked up those two schedules, but that could account for the records looking better than we'd expect.

Al's numbers were only since 2005, so I'm guessing no, that's not a factor.

**Cyclonestate78** · 08-17-2011, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

I've thought for a long time that they're better than they get credit for. The numbers tend to back that up.

Last year was the first year in awhile I thought they sucked.

It is all based on the matchups. The Big XII was facing several matchups with the Big East in bowl games including the BCS bowl we are tied to. Typically the Big XII was getting matchups with the best teams the Big East has to offer. On the other hand most of these other conferences were able to pick and choose which Big East teams they got to play against or had bowl tie ins against the mid to lower level teams in the Big East. This is another reason conference records against other conferences are not a good indicator of conference strength. It all depends on the overall strength of the teams played and the strength of the team playing them. A simple win/loss record doesn't come close to telling you the entire story.