***OFFICIAL BIG12 EXPANSION THREAD***

[CysRage]

UCF is a sleeping giant, give them a BCS conference they could be very good.

I think they actually have one of the best (if not the best) undergrad enrollments in the nation by being in the mid to upper 50,000. It is surprising that they have never been considered to be in a bcs conference until this point. I wouldn't mind playing in Orlando every 4 years.

Edit: Just checked, they have the largest undergrad enrollment in the nation at approximately 48,000 students and approximately 9,000 grad students.

[NobodyBeatsCy]

from a guy with BYU contacts.


COUGAREARL EARL ALLEN CARR @
@palmer4Cy the odds of byu joining the big 12 are very very good

Pin him down on when the presser is!

[DRCHIRO]

Today on 810 am in KC, KU's Chancellor Little said KU & K-State are not tied together in any future realignment.

"

Kansas and Kansas State being linked together is just rumor. Gray-Little said it would be best for Kansas to stay in a major conference."

http://twitter.com/#!/mlavieri

Well no **** Sherlock


I approve of the positive Big 12 chatter regarding BYU.

While I would be happy with UCF, the TT chancellor said we would make a "splash." BYU is a splash, is UCF??? Or are we talking about FSU?? Miami??

[HFCS]

I think they actually have one of the best (if not the best) undergrad enrollments in the nation by being in the mid to upper 50,000. It is surprising that they have never been considered to be in a bcs conference until this point. I wouldn't mind playing in Orlando every 4 years.

Edit: Just checked, they have the largest undergrad enrollment in the nation at approximately 48,000 students and approximately 9,000 grad students.

Makes me wonder what was said in the Big East/B12 meeting.

Even though the Big East is already in that market, you'd think with only 9 members they'd have considered them long ago.

I doubt the Big Ten or Pac 12 would ever be that desperate to get into Florida.

If I were the two leagues, I'd have made a gentlemen's agreement to not raid each other, and to combine if they got raided to a combined number of less than 18.

I'm down with BYU, UCF, and a 12th if/when a 12th adds somethings solid. Both of those definitely do imho.

[HFCS]

Well no **** Sherlock


I approve of the positive Big 12 chatter regarding BYU.

While I would be happy with UCF, the TT chancellor said we would make a "splash." BYU is a splash, is UCF??? Or are we talking about FSU?? Miami??

Splash could be bad. Too much splash spurs major changes all over the place which opens ISU up to risk. BYU football is as good or better than the average BCS program these days, UCF has a ton of potential. Both are new markets. That's a good splash in my book. Plus I like ISU's chances when we get UCF up here in the cold.

Those two and a 3rd solid program certainly would more than make up for one A&M. Probably not Neb/CU/A&M combined unless it's ND, but still much better than where we were at nine and shrinking.

[HoopsTournament]

Splash could be bad. Too much splash spurs major changes all over the place which opens ISU up to risk. BYU football is as good or better than the average BCS program these days, UCF has a ton of potential. Both are new markets. That's a good splash in my book. Plus I like ISU's chances when we get UCF up here in the cold.

Those two and a 3rd solid program certainly would more than make up for one A&M. Probably not Neb/CU/A&M combined unless it's ND, but still much better than where we were at nine and shrinking.

And they both add big markets. UCF doesn't give the wow factor and the media would say the Big XII settled, but the media can go to h***.

[HoopsTournament]

I posed this question in the other thread, but I guess the longest thread has lost it's luster.

Who won the first game involving a Big XII team?

[HFCS]

And they both add big markets. UCF doesn't give the wow factor and the media would say the Big XII settled, but the media can go to h***.

I'm hoping for stability, for ISU's sake. BYU and UCF seem like the 2nd and 3rd best teams to add without rocking the boat to trigger more and more dominoes. The 1st was the "long shot" so I won't even bring it up.

People mentioning going after ACC, Big East and even SEC/Pac 12/Big Ten teams, that's not going to end well for ISU. Even if teams like Arizona State, Arkansas, Minnesota, West Virginia wanted to join the Big 12, ISU shouldn't want those dominoes falling yet again.

I don't have any loyalty to the Big East, let the Big 12 and all the other leagues be large and stable and the Big Ten and ACC can poach the Big East if they feel they need to. There are other Texas and western schools if there's ever some dire need for the Pac 12 and Big 12 to grow to 14-18.

[StLouisClone]

Are UCF athletes going to want to travel at least 1500 miles to each of their away games? I'm thinking this would be a football only move for them.

[HFCS]

Are UCF athletes going to want to travel at least 1500 miles to each of their away games? I'm thinking this would be a football only move for them.

Half of CUSA is already in Texas and Oklahoma, they'd just be upgrading the teams in those states, going a little further to Iowa and Kansas and maybe a lot further for BYU if BYU joins in all sports.

They'd be traveling less than TCU is to join a BCS league in all sports.

[DRCHIRO]

Splash could be bad. Too much splash spurs major changes all over the place which opens ISU up to risk. BYU football is as good or better than the average BCS program these days, UCF has a ton of potential. Both are new markets. That's a good splash in my book. Plus I like ISU's chances when we get UCF up here in the cold.

Those two and a 3rd solid program certainly would more than make up for one A&M. Probably not Neb/CU/A&M combined unless it's ND, but still much better than where we were at nine and shrinking.

I agree with you. I would be thrilled with UCF as long as it brings stability. I want to get back to 12 and no more.

[cymonat]

Is all the UCF speculation coming from flight tracker? If so, the flight destination is a lot closer to the USF campus in Tampa than UCF in Orlando.

[NobodyBeatsCy]

Is all the UCF speculation coming from flight tracker? If so, the flight destination is a lot closer to the USF campus in Tampa than UCF in Orlando.

Might be a "double-tap"

[cyguytillidie]

I think it would make a lot of sense if they got two Florida teams instead of just one. If were going to dip into Florida might as well go big.

[HFCS]

We should want the number of BCS teams to go up way past 64. Pac12 Scott's publicly open push is for a 4x16 mega structure. We could quite easily be out of that. The more non AQ teams that get promoted the higher above 64 that # gets.

2 BCS AQ programs (maybe us and Baylor?) and a ton of non-AQs could have been easily screwed. 10 AQ programs and a ton of non-AQ schools will be harder for a ****** bag like Scott to screw over for some money.

TCU, Utah, BYU and now maybe UCF all push up that number. Including ND there were 66 AQ teams before all this. With TCU and Utah becoming AQ it's now 68, if we add BYU and UCF it's 70. If 4x16 is the formula you have to kick out 6 teams now in addition to excluding Boise State, Hawaii, Houston etc... That won't happen so if there eventually are 4 superleagues they'd be 18-20 and ISU would be safe.