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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by LZclone The idea... apparently is 4 - 16 team superconferences. The ACC, SEC, B1G and Pac 16.
IF this happens Iowa State WILL be 1 of the schools left without a chair when the music stops.
On a side note, I don't want this to happen, but the writing is on the wall. Iowa State is not going to be the only school left without a chair.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by awd4cy Iowa State is not going to be the only school left without a chair. No, but we will be one of them. We have nothing to offer anyone except the fact that 40,000+ fans fill our stadium for every home game. That's it. But that won't cut it. Not by a longshot.
We offer about 100 TV sets, sarcastically speaking. The only way we get picked up is in some kind of package deal IMO. If we're on our own, we're screwed.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by everyyard I think the lynchpin is what does notre dame do with its non football sports when the big east disintegrates. This. Notre Dame is the key.
For "I", for "S", forever!
For Iowa State all the way.
Let's go! To show them what the gang's all here for,
Go! To show them how the Cyclones cheer.
For "I", for "S", forever!
For Iowa State do it right!
It's time to climb up on the vict'ry wagon,
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
 Originally Posted by Senolcyc A-c-a-d-e-m-i-c-s Lousiville? Academics not bright? Correct. CORRECT.
Cincinnati is in the Top 150.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by clonedude No, but we will be one of them. We have nothing to offer anyone except the fact that 40,000+ fans fill our stadium for every home game. That's it. But that won't cut it. Not by a longshot.
We offer about 100 TV sets, sarcastically speaking. The only way we get picked up is in some kind of package deal IMO. If we're on our own, we're screwed.
I wouldn't hinge on it.
Big East will remain as a conference, just not a football oriented one. It will be an even BETTER home for ND as football independents at that point since football scheduling will no longer be an issue with their participation.
I know the Big East was to have their TV contract renegotiated in November. Something tells me there are many parties interested in seeing to it that Big East Football is dead by then, one way or the other. They will become Atlantic 10 II.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by clonedude Seriously, can both of these conferences implode? That is a LOT of teams for other conferences to absorb.
I think that only one of these conferences will be gone... either the Big 12 or Big East, but not both.
So if OU and Texas can just kiss and make up, we could potentially become a great super conference. The Big East looks like they are just about done for, so why would we even be thinking about reaching out to them right now?
The Big 12 needs to go out and grab Louisville, BYU, and TCU right away IMO. That gets us back to 12. And then look into adding teams like Air Force, Cincy, New Mexico, and Houston to get to 16.
I know that New Mexico isn't brought up much, but they do have a pretty large TV market in Albuquerqe and Santa Fe.
I just don't see how both of these conferences fall apart? One of them, yes, but not both. I would just like to point out that ESPN went with Boise State / Toledo on ESPN and Iowa State / UConn on ESPN2 on Friday. Last year's Big East Conference Champion and a Big 12 team coming off a dramatic triple overtime rivalry upset were on the deuce while Boise State playing a MAC team was on ESPN.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by clonedude No, but we will be one of them. We have nothing to offer anyone except the fact that 40,000+ fans fill our stadium for every home game. That's it. But that won't cut it. Not by a longshot.
We offer about 100 TV sets, sarcastically speaking. The only way we get picked up is in some kind of package deal IMO. If we're on our own, we're screwed. 
Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
I don't think anyone cares about academics right now. its all money, money, money. survival = ADDING TEAMS!! COME ON DOWN LOUISVILLE, TCU, AND SOUTH FLORIDA OR BYU. I'd personally rather fly to Florida and watch a game than go to Provo,Utah. good luck finding a bar there to enjoy some refreshments.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by LZclone The idea... apparently is 4 - 16 team superconferences. The ACC, SEC, B1G and Pac 16.
IF this happens Iowa State WILL be 1 of the schools left without a chair when the music stops.
On a side note, I don't want this to happen, but the writing is on the wall. Whose idea is this? Only the media has come up with that scenario. No one who is a credible source has mentioned this possibility. All speculation.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by Sevey Whose idea is this? Only the media has come up with that scenario. No one who is a credible source has mentioned this possibility. All speculation. While I agree, why would you add teams 13 (SEC) or 13 and 14 (ACC)?? You only need 12 teams to have a conference championship game. Additional teams would just take away from the current revenue pool, unless these 4 16 team league championships become the play in to a 4 team playoff.
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Re: How can the Big 12 and Big East both implode?
 Originally Posted by Sevey Whose idea is this? Only the media has come up with that scenario. No one who is a credible source has mentioned this possibility. All speculation. Although the conferences all say in public that they are opposed to the "super-conferences", clearly they are all looking to add teams behind closed doors.
It's very simple. They are looking to increase their geographical footprint, so their TV contracts become more valuable.
Just because they are not saying publicly that they are focused first and foremost on these TV contracts, doesn't mean that it's not happening under the radar.
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
 Originally Posted by 52342cyclone I don't think anyone cares about academics right now. its all money, money, money. survival = ADDING TEAMS!! COME ON DOWN LOUISVILLE, TCU, AND SOUTH FLORIDA OR BYU. I'd personally rather fly to Florida and watch a game than go to Provo,Utah. good luck finding a bar there to enjoy some refreshments. The ACC just picked up two highly regarded universities. They'll be in the same conference as NC, GT, Wake and Duke. Academics do matter.
OU comments that they want to be with Stanford, UCLA and USC.
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
Academics amount to nothing more than a tie breaker at this point. This is purely about athletic survival.
Also, Whin4Cy you are absolutely crazy if you think that ND is going to consider joining the Big 12. It just isn't going to happen unless it's purely for olympic sports.
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
 Originally Posted by Senolcyc No on all four. Cincy and Louisville weak academically and the other two don't have football. 
I don't really think you can be that picky at this point....
#97. Iowa State
#160. Texas Tech
#164. Louisville
Louisville's academics are actually improving each year.
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Re: Add Louisville now with Big East imploding
 Originally Posted by Senolcyc No on all four. Cincy and Louisville weak academically and the other two don't have football.  First, are we in a position to be overly selective? Louisville is the best of the available options.
Second, aren't they a tier 1 research school?
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