Big XII contingency plan

[SvrWxCy]

Also the Big 12 has been so far has not even attempted to reach out to any other teams. Basically they have sat and watched other conferances pick off our teams.

Your name suits you well here, that is absolutely false. There have been reports that we had talked to Arkansas (albeit brief) and a few of the latest reports have indicated that BYU would be interested as long as the current Big 12 could come to an extended & more solid agreement.

[aeroclone]

Who says there will be no AQ conferences outside of those four? If remnants of Big 12 and Big East combine under one of those conference names it would be pretty hard to take away their AQ status...

Okay, so you will have a B1G anchored by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame. You have a PAC with Oregon, USC, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma. You have the SEC with Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU. And you have the ACC with Va Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami.

Now, tell me, which of these contingency leftover conferences deserves a seat at the table with these conferences in college football? Who are our top 4 here? BYU, Boise, TCU, and KState? Seriously? The gap between this league and the big 4 would be much wider than the gap between the MWC and the BCS conferences today. Those top programs in the big conferences aren't going to want to give up a spot to us. And the bowls won't be excited about that league either (see the decision to put TCU and Boise up against each other this year). This is about money, and most of these schools just wouldn't make any. The gap between this league and the others would grow every year. It may or may not take a couple years, but we would get shutout of a BCS/playoff/whatever eventually.

[HFCS]

Your name suits you well here, that is absolutely false. There have been reports that we had talked to Arkansas (albeit brief) and a few of the latest reports have indicated that BYU would be interested as long as the current Big 12 could come to an extended & more solid agreement.

I think the Big 12 actually shot themselves in the foot contacting irrational longshots like Pitt and Arkansas. You only contact a Pitt, if you have a 100% agreement from ND. Contacting Pitt without ND is the second stupidest thing we did in all of this, contacting Arkansas was the most stupid, and the third most stupid was...

They contacted BYU...an entire year too late. The correct and obvious move to stabilize the conference would have been to add BYU the day after Colorado left. 90% of this board was against me on it at that time, but it was the right move and the Big 12 screwed up if its goal was to exist. BYU adds more to the league than CU did, completely idiotic not to replace CU with them.

[cyowa]

ND is not coming to the big 12. The only way we go to the big 10 is if Iowa and Nebraska rally the rest of the big 10 to ask us to come. So basically If Nebby and Iowa don't rally for us we are screwed there.

Also the Big 12 has been so far has not even attempted to reach out to any other teams. Basically they have sat and watched other conferances pick off our teams.

Then we are screwed. Ne / IA helping us just ain't gona happen.

[Win5002]

Obviously none of these situations are ideal but at least it would be an ok league for basketball, especially if Louisville and Memphis were in the mix. Hoiberg is young and I Ithink has a great future.

The football competition is not terrible, it just won't compare with the heavyweights in the BCS conferences. Or at least the B1G, PAC & SEC, it may be on par competition wise with the ACC honestly(their conference sucks in football). What it does to the tv revenues of the schools may be a different story.

[swarthmoreCY]

Okay, so you will have a B1G anchored by Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame. You have a PAC with Oregon, USC, UCLA, Texas, and Oklahoma. You have the SEC with Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU. And you have the ACC with Va Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and Miami.

Now, tell me, which of these contingency leftover conferences deserves a seat at the table with these conferences in college football? Who are our top 4 here? BYU, Boise, TCU, and KState? Seriously? The gap between this league and the big 4 would be much wider than the gap between the MWC and the BCS conferences today. Those top programs in the big conferences aren't going to want to give up a spot to us. And the bowls won't be excited about that league either (see the decision to put TCU and Boise up against each other this year). This is about money, and most of these schools just wouldn't make any. The gap between this league and the others would grow every year. It may or may not take a couple years, but we would get shutout of a BCS/playoff/whatever eventually.

Have you ever watched Selection Sunday?

[Stormin]

Not to be a negative nancy, BUT

once the superconferences are established, NO AQ status will be available outside of those 4 conferences. Also why attempt to bring these other schools up to AQ status why ISU is fighting for 1 of the 4 spots in the B1G??? Need to reduce competition, not increase it.

That is NOT true. Each of those 4 conferences would get an AQ and most likely get an at large bid every year. But would have to earn it. No way they are going to take 2 teams plus an additional at large team. Because you would be taking teams with 3 and 4 losses in that scenario.

Chances are a Revamped Big XII will have a champion with 1 or 2 losses at most. Hell the Big East had an AQ school that had an 8-5 record last year and a 5-2 conference record. The power shift that is occurring is that OU and UT are headed to Pac 16. Those teams will now cannibalize each other. Just like what happened to the Big XII after it was formed.

[Cyclonestate78]

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Why are OU, Okie St, TT, and Texas so hell bent on leaving now? What's wrong with this conference?


This is THE question that both puzzles and grieves me. In the minds of NU and aTm, UT was the bad guy, the reason for leaving. (Not sure about CU, but they always wanted to be with their cultural peers on the west coast.) But now, it appears as though TX is not so bad: three other conference schools are leaving with UT. If nobody likes UT, why join a different conference where UT will also be? Everyone says it's about the money, but the new Big XII TV package looked pretty darn good. I don't understand any of this.

Welcome to the new world of college athletics. The "haves" are hell bent on destroying all of the "have nots" and that pretty much sums it up. The end goal for these schools is to have potentially four 16 team super-conferences that will collect about 95% of all of the available revenue that college athletics has to offer. They don't care what schools get crushed in the process either athletically or academically. This is all about greed and making sure that they limit the access to revenue so that schools outside of the 64 teams will no longer have even a remote chance of being competitive.

[4429 mcc]

This!
I like this arrangement personally
WEST:
ISU
MU
KU
KSU
BYU
Baylor

EAST:
USF
Louie
Cinci
rutgers
TCU
Houston

Or North South again but that wouldn't benefit us too much.

North:
MU
ISU
KU
KSU
BYU
Rutgers

South:
Loui
Cinci
TCU
Houston
Baylor
USF

Lets be real...how many teams would be ranked in the top 25 at the end of the year on a regular basis?

1 maybe 2....TCU (unproven in BCS confernece) and Mizzou.

This league would struggle for respect. JMHO

[delt4cy]

Did we really need another thread for your "contingency plan"? There are countless pages on this stuff already.

My apologies sire.

The "countless" threads of other garbarge are impossible to sift through. The game has changed within the last 24 hours.

[Cyclonestate78]

Then we are screwed. Ne / IA helping us just ain't gona happen.

Keep in mind... GG has close ties to Penn State whose president IIRC is an ISU grad. JP has close ties to Wisconsin as he spent years up there working for Barry Alvarez in the AD's office. While it would be nice to have Iowa's support or Nebraska's support it isn't an absolute necessity. ISU has potentially much larger fish in the B1G pond to carry our flag.

[acgclone]

I think the Big 12 actually shot themselves in the foot contacting irrational longshots like Pitt and Arkansas. You only contact a Pitt, if you have a 100% agreement from ND. Contacting Pitt without ND is the second stupidest thing we did in all of this, contacting Arkansas was the most stupid, and the third most stupid was...

They contacted BYU...an entire year too late. The correct and obvious move to stabilize the conference would have been to add BYU the day after Colorado left. 90% of this board was against me on it at that time, but it was the right move and the Big 12 screwed up if its goal was to exist. BYU adds more to the league than CU did, completely idiotic not to replace CU with them.

Yes, this whole thing has been botched from day one. I know that Beebe control everything, but a strong leader would have salvaged this conference. Instead we have a UT puppet as our conf commish so it was bungled from the start.

[Tedcyclone]

4 super conferences has a lot to work out... so what happens to 90% of the teams that have no post season? that is a lot of money lost, not happening unless they create another division of football... which would be dumb.

[delt4cy]

Mizzou is the lynch pin to all of this.

5 teams should retain the Big 12 and prevent a "majority vote". (can anyone verify that?)

If the 5 stick together, the Big 12 could remain a viable conference and bring in remnants of other leagues. Even though a new hybrid Big 12 would have much less clout, (imo still more than the current Big East), it would have enough quality schools to warrant BCS status.

[delt4cy]

Imo, bringing in Florida and East coast schools is too big of a stretch. (although UT/OU matched with Cali schools is absolutely absurd and that isn't stopping it from happening)

Geographically, Louisville/Cincy/WVU are about as far east as the Big 12 would want to reach, imo of course. A cluster of those 3 and Mizzou/ISU/KU/KSU would be a decent fit.