What in the world is Missouri thinking?

[isuno1fan]

Seriously guys. Hummm....do I stick with a conference who has come close to folding twice in the last 24 mos AND has ONE clear dominant school that can affect the destinies of all others - or do I go to what is agruable the #1 football conference in America that has strict revenue sharing and has had ZERO stability issues.

I really, reallly want Missouri to stay, but I'm with Miller and Deace on this that if invited, Mizzou is a fool not to make the move given all the garbage they (as well as the other Big 12 members) have had to put up with over the last couple years.

Seriously...the SEC and B12 now have the exact same revenue sharing arrangement. That argument is a non-starter anymore.

[QBUMizzou]

Well, let's all hope that Mizzou leaves so that ISU will be rid of all the whores of the Big 12.

[capitalcityguy]

Seriously...the SEC and B12 now have the exact same revenue sharing arrangement. That argument is a non-starter anymore.

Maybe that is true...maybe not (I don't know) but this is only one of the points I made.

[mustangcy]

The fact that any Mizzou fans are so willing to leave 100 years of classic midwestern rivalry and tradition for a conference based in Alabama should tell you all you need to know about Mizzou fans character. I personally don't care if they leave..I'd love to have WVU or UL join the conference.

That said, and I said this before, I work over the border in Missouri about 1 1/2 hrs from Columbia and I can't find one, not one, Mizzou fan that likes the idea of the SEC. Of course they are almost all good level headed fans and not message board fans with a hard on for being courted by a better looking yet morally bankrupt mistress.

[ISUboi12]

Well, let's all hope that Mizzou leaves so that ISU will be rid of all the whores of the Big 12.

I don't think anyone really hopes that Missouri leaves. I think a lot of people just don't care if they do.

From the all-time series Missouri wins 60% of the time against ISU. I'd like to think ISU will fare better or at least no worse than anyone who replaces you.

[isuno1fan]

Gotta say I've yet to talk to a Mizzou fan in person that wants to leave either. It appears to only be the minority of message board "fans"

[HoopsTournament]

Seriously guys. Hummm....do I stick with a conference who has come close to folding twice in the last 24 mos AND has ONE clear dominant school that can affect the destinies of all others - or do I go to what is agruable the #1 football conference in America that has strict revenue sharing and has had ZERO stability issues.

I really, reallly want Missouri to stay, but I'm with Miller and Deace on this that if invited, Mizzou is a fool not to make the move given all the garbage they (as well as the other Big 12 members) have had to put up with over the last couple years.

The stability issue is in the past because of past leadership. The new leadership has changed things.

SEC has had ZERO stability issues, but if Missouri joins and then 3 years later Big Ten decides to expand, guess which conference will start to have stability issues? Not the Big 12, it would be the SEC. That is why the conference that has Mizzou (between Big 12 and SEC) will instantly become the less stable of the two.

Revenue sharing is EXACTLY the same now in both conferences. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. That is not an opinion. It is a fact.

One dominant school in the conference - that is an opinion and is based on an emotional response. It is not based in reality based on the new leadership. We have already seen that the other eight are united and are not dominated by one school. So if Missouri is leaving because of that, it is an EMOTIONAL response and not a logical response.

You agreeing with Miller and Deace lowers your credibility instantly. They don't know crap about what is really going on and just spews misinformation from their mouths.

[HoopsTournament]

Well, let's all hope that Mizzou leaves so that ISU will be rid of all the whores of the Big 12.

I mainly want Mizzou to leave because I want stability back in the conference and I think that Mizzou leaving will be the BIGGEST step to return stability back. Also, the exit fees would be nice (as long as it doesn't come from taxpayer money).

[driegner]

I'm not sure Mizzou can cheat effectively enough to compete in the SEC.

[Mizzoulander]

There is NOTHING that shows the money will be better in the SEC...show me the numbers to prove your case.

The SEC will almost CERTAINLY redo the Tier1-2 rights deals with CBS/ESPN once they've added new members (more eyeballs=more money) With coverage in states totalling 81 million people, it's safe to assume they'll end up with the most lucrative conference deal in football.

Plus, if they decide to build a Tier 3 conference wide network (a la the BTN), each team will earn even more. The BTN distributed about $8M per team last year - the SEC should be able to get at LEAST that much. That's another revenue stream that the Big 12 will NEVER have, thanks to the LHN.

Well, I suppose if each team set up their OWN network, they could. The Clone network would get 3-4 bad Tier 3 games per year, and if they drew 20K PPV subscribers (a HUGE number) per game, they'd have to charge something like $110 per subscriber to make that kind of money (and THAT doesn't include production, which would be of "boom goes the dynamite" quality)

And I haven't even touched on the fact that since the Big 12 doesn't currently have a championship game, that's more lost revenue. Or if you add enough teams to bring a championship game back, you're splitting the pie more way with teams (L-ville? TCU? Tulane?) that aren't pulling in the same revenue as the ones they're replacing.

What am I missing? How could the money NOT be better in the SEC?

[cyguytillidie]

Love this tweet by David Ubben:

Checked scores. At least if Missouri heads to the SEC, it won't run into teams with the kind of talent K-State trots out on Saturdays.

[Cyched]

The SEC will almost CERTAINLY redo the Tier1-2 rights deals with CBS/ESPN once they've added new members (more eyeballs=more money) With coverage in states totalling 81 million people, it's safe to assume they'll end up with the most lucrative conference deal in football.

Plus, if they decide to build a Tier 3 conference wide network (a la the BTN), each team will earn even more. The BTN distributed about $8M per team last year - the SEC should be able to get at LEAST that much. That's another revenue stream that the Big 12 will NEVER have, thanks to the LHN.

Well, I suppose if each team set up their OWN network, they could. The Clone network would get 3-4 bad Tier 3 games per year, and if they drew 20K PPV subscribers (a HUGE number) per game, they'd have to charge something like $110 per subscriber to make that kind of money (and THAT doesn't include production, which would be of "boom goes the dynamite" quality)

And I haven't even touched on the fact that since the Big 12 doesn't currently have a championship game, that's more lost revenue. Or if you add enough teams to bring a championship game back, you're splitting the pie more way with teams (L-ville? TCU? Tulane?) that aren't pulling in the same revenue as the ones they're replacing.

What am I missing? How could the money NOT be better in the SEC?

Well, once you guys trade your Big 12 success to be the SEC's whipping boy, that's less bowl games. So there's already money MU's missing out on. Just one small example

[isuno1fan]

The SEC will almost CERTAINLY redo the Tier1-2 rights deals with CBS/ESPN once they've added new members (more eyeballs=more money) With coverage in states totalling 81 million people, it's safe to assume they'll end up with the most lucrative conference deal in football.

Plus, if they decide to build a Tier 3 conference wide network (a la the BTN), each team will earn even more. The BTN distributed about $8M per team last year - the SEC should be able to get at LEAST that much. That's another revenue stream that the Big 12 will NEVER have, thanks to the LHN.

Well, I suppose if each team set up their OWN network, they could. The Clone network would get 3-4 bad Tier 3 games per year, and if they drew 20K PPV subscribers (a HUGE number) per game, they'd have to charge something like $110 per subscriber to make that kind of money (and THAT doesn't include production, which would be of "boom goes the dynamite" quality)

And I haven't even touched on the fact that since the Big 12 doesn't currently have a championship game, that's more lost revenue. Or if you add enough teams to bring a championship game back, you're splitting the pie more way with teams (L-ville? TCU? Tulane?) that aren't pulling in the same revenue as the ones they're replacing.

What am I missing? How could the money NOT be better in the SEC?

You are making assumptions that the contract will be redone...no guarantees. Even if it is the B12 is set to have $30M/yer per team once our Tier 1 is done. You are also assuming Florida will give up their $10M/yr Tier 3 deal to share with the rest of the conference??..LOL....good luck with that. Florida will give that up right after UT drops the LHN.

Nice show on the field today vs KSU as well. Rock on Mizzou!

[Mizzoulander]

Missouri and A&M are NOT natioinal teams. TCU for A&M is a wash. The TV execs have already weighed in on that. WVU for MU will be a small step down, but if BYU comes in when ESPN contract is up, then we will be replacing regional teams (MU and A&M) for a national one. And NU and CU don't enter this argument because the new Fox contract did not even factor them into the equation.

Stability - It is the UNSTABLE teams that are leaving. The stable teams will be left. If Missouri goes to SEC, the instability transfers from the Big 12 to the SEC. The SEC better add an exit fee or they will constantly be worried about MU to the B1G. There will be no instability in the Big 12 once Missouri leaves. As an ISU fan, I am more worried about instability if Missouri stays than if they leave.

Governance - There is new leadership in the Big 12. The NEW revenue sharing structure is almost EXACTLY the same as the SEC. So complaining about the revenue sharing in the Big 12, but going to the SAME THING in the SEC is being a hypocrit.

Every reason to leave is EMOTIONAL and not logical. Personally, I hope you go to the SEC and because I think you are a cancer on the conference.

1. Sorry chief...the money thing just doesn't hold up. See my earlier post. SEC renegotiated T1-2 rights + conference-wide Tier 3 network + champ. game = making it rain. If you can show a scenario in which the payouts would be equal, that's great.

2. Show me something other than an unsourced anonymous AP wire story saying ANYBODY from Mizzou wants B1G more than SEC. Nobody. You only want teams that WANT to be in the Big 12. Problem is, based on what we know about other teams exploring their options, you still have about 4 that are lukewarm...rights deal or not.

3. I'm impressed that leaders who have been in charge for ONE WEEK are able to fix all of the governance issues. Im also impressed with your trust in UT...based on what exactly? Their past commitment to this conference? ISU's lack of options?

[CyCrazy]

Im going to laugh when you dip ***** are voted down to join the SEC.

Positive note though you Misery fans wont show up around here again.