T Gill at KU vs Gene Chizik at ISU

**cyfan15** · 10-31-2011, 06:22 PM

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt Gill inherited as little as Chizik did. Mac's 2004 and 2005 classes were BAD. I hate to be one to stand up for Chizik, but he only inherited about 50 scholarship players before he signed his first recruiting class. Only about half of those 50 were 3* recruits, and about half of those 3* recruits were just redshirt freshmen in Chizik's first year. Meyer, Blythe, Rubin, Banks, and Bowen were good players, but other than them our players were either young, under-talented, or both.

We're still building our way up from that. Rhoads inherited a better roster than Chizik, but we were still pretty far behind most of the Big 12. Simply having to make the change delayed our progress, but Rhoads is a much better fit for ISU and the change resulted in more wins in the short-term and will in the long-term as well. Based on what we've seen in recruiting and on the field, we will be significantly improved after a couple more recruiting classes and once Rhoads' recruits are upperclassmen.

Sorry to go off on a tangent but it seemed like a relevant point.

**Mizzoulander** · 10-31-2011, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by trajanJ

That article is from last year so some of those figures have already been paid for this year. It does tell you how bad he is since that article existed last year. With this years results I just don't see how Gill survives unless he pulls off some miracle. But Lew didn't do his school any favors in his final days. From what I've heard some of the big boosters have already agreed to take care of the situation. Plus if you sell 10,000 less seats a game you'll lose a lot more than that in one year and you could easily lose that much gate. I don't know a single Jayhawk that supports Gill right now.

Honest question, not a flame: would KU fans want to take back Mangino if they could right now?

**nhclone** · 10-31-2011, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mizzoulander

Honest question, not a flame: would KU fans want to take back Mangino if they could right now?

Depends if the dining centers have had enough time to replenish their supplies...for football success, I'm sure lot's of them would.

**trajanJ** · 10-31-2011, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mizzoulander

Honest question, not a flame: would KU fans want to take back Mangino if they could right now?

He's still very popular with a lot of KU fans. Saw an article where he said he wanted to get back into coaching and felt he had learned from some of his mistakes. There would be way too much controversy if he was re-hired but a lot of fans were not happy he was fired and Gill was not a popular hire.

**greatshu** · 11-01-2011, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by trajanJ

He's still very popular with a lot of KU fans. Saw an article where he said he wanted to get back into coaching and felt he had learned from some of his mistakes. There would be way too much controversy if he was re-hired but a lot of fans were not happy he was fired and Gill was not a popular hire.

Bringing back Mangino is never going to happen. He is popular because he won. But he was administrators nightmare. Just like LE.

**acoustimac** · 11-01-2011, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

I guess you are right. Kansas was flying high in the years before Gill took over. Its amazing to see some of the scores Kansas put up this year. I think they have been losing to teams by an average of 34 points. That is just horrible.

Really? Does everyone forget Prince? He put the KU program in the hole its in right now.

**agrabes** · 11-01-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by acoustimac

Really? Does everyone forget Prince? He put the KU program in the hole its in right now.

Ron Prince? The guy who was at K-State?? I'm not sure if he's had anything to do with KU's fall from glory.

**nhclone** · 11-01-2011, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by acoustimac

Really? Does everyone forget Prince? He put the KU program in the hole its in right now.

**CarolinaCy** · 11-01-2011, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by greatshu

Bringing back Mangino is never going to happen. He is popular because he won. But he was administrators nightmare. Just like LE.

What about Mike Leach? Or is that a "no" for all the same reasons?

**jaretac** · 11-01-2011, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by acoustimac

Really? Does everyone forget Prince? He put the KU program in the hole its in right now.

Yeah, Ron Prince took over for Bill Snyder when he retired the first time from KSU. His first season was 2005 or 6. Mangino had been coach at KU since what, 2003?

Maybe there was some Prince guy at KU that everyone did forget about, but most likely you got your schools confused.

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

What about Mike Leach? Or is that a "no" for all the same reasons?

Last I heard, Leach was still dealing with a law suite against Tech and couldn't take a coaching job until that was settled or he would lose his case.