Tcu has baseball.... Wvu has baseball....

**cybsball20** · 10-31-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by GreenRocketCY

If we recruited half instate and half out of state kids, the number of scholarships you can give out is 11.7 times the average of in state to out of state it comes out as 238423.75 as the total scholarship money..... take equipment, coaches, maintenance, etc. it would probably come out to about 400-450k total so if you draw 1500 people to 20 home games for 10 bucks a pop, it would come out to 300,000, so add concessions, merchandise, and such, it wouldn't be as big of a money pit as we had once thought.
And as far as I am concerned, more people would care about baseball than cross-country so how we ax the XC team and add baseball, cross country has more schollies than baseball anyway.

To be a division one athletic program you have to have a minimum of 6 mens and 6 women's sports. Track-Indoor-CC counts as 3, so you will rarely see a small athletic department without Track/CC

**theshadow** · 10-31-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by GreenRocketCY

if you draw 1500 people to 20 home games for 10 bucks a pop

There were entire seasons where ISU barely drew 1,500 total. At no charge.

**cybsball20** · 10-31-2011, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by BirdOfWar

We might be making money from those two leaving, but I doubt anyone knows the total at this point.

Even if we made 5 million, how long will that sustain a baseball team? 5 years?

I assume some money would also need to be spent to update facilities as well.

When the team was cut, we were told the only hope was to establish an endowment... At the time, there were people willing to do that but Van De Velde changed his mind and said that it wasn't enough. As it is, the only way to "bring it back" would be large donation for a stadium (min $7 mil) and to get started, as well as an endowment.

Ideally, a donor would also step up to build an off campus, privately owned facility that the team could lease and also sell alcohol... Then you would have no problem at all drawing decent crowds.

**cybsball20** · 10-31-2011, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

There were entire seasons where ISU barely drew 1,500 total. At no charge.

With a decent stadium, that people knew how to get to, 1500 a game would not be that hard to accomplish.

**JP4CY** · 10-31-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by BirdOfWar

We might be making money from those two leaving, but I doubt anyone knows the total at this point.

Even if we made 5 million, how long will that sustain a baseball team? 5 years?

I assume some money would also need to be spent to update facilities as well.

I replied to a poster that said, what's changed in the last few months? My response was indicating that we'll be getting some money from Mizzou.
I didn't begin to speculate on the viability of baseball, I was just responding that we might have a few million more than we thought a few months ago.

If it was me in the AD, I'd pay off debts. I'm sure we still owe not only the Jack Trice scoreboard but we probably still have a chunk from the Hilton one to go too.

**CycloneErik** · 10-31-2011, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

With a decent stadium, that people knew how to get to, 1500 a game would not be that hard to accomplish.

How do we pay for the stadium?

At this point, even if we had established that endowment during the BVD years, we'd still be looking at a ton of money to refurbish a facility. There's really only so much money to go around.

**theshadow** · 10-31-2011, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

With a decent stadium, that people knew how to get to, 1500 a game would not be that hard to accomplish.

That's more than North Carolina and Coastal Carolina average -- and those teams are routinely in the regionals and/or super regionals.

**Clonefan94** · 10-31-2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by GreenRocketCY

If we recruited half instate and half out of state kids, the number of scholarships you can give out is 11.7 times the average of in state to out of state it comes out as 238423.75 as the total scholarship money..... take equipment, coaches, maintenance, etc. it would probably come out to about 400-450k total so if you draw 1500 people to 20 home games for 10 bucks a pop, it would come out to 300,000, so add concessions, merchandise, and such, it wouldn't be as big of a money pit as we had once thought.
And as far as I am concerned, more people would care about baseball than cross-country so how we ax the XC team and add baseball, cross country has more schollies than baseball anyway.

You won't draw that many people. I know everyone who wants baseball back, says they would go and act like there are a lot of people whow would go. I was a huge baseball fan in college. I only went to a couple of games and the ones I went to, you'd be lucky if 150 people were there, not 1500.

**NATEizKING** · 10-31-2011, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

I am in the "neutral" category as to whether baseball should ever be brought back at ISU, but in any case I wish people would get it through their heads that Title IX has absolutely nothing to do with why baseball was axed in the first place and has absolutely nothing to do with any roadblock that is preventing ISU from bringing it back. JP has said on multiple occasions that ISU could bring back only baseball and not be in conflict with Title IX standards.

Not sure where I heard this, but isn't a test of Title IX compliance the proportionate test which matches the number of male/female athletes to the male/female body of undergrads?

**GreenRocketCY** · 10-31-2011, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

To be a division one athletic program you have to have a minimum of 6 mens and 6 women's sports. Track-Indoor-CC counts as 3, so you will rarely see a small athletic department without Track/CC

Current mens sports (7)
Football
Golf
BBall
Track (in)
Track(out)
XC
Wrestling

Hypothetical (7)
Football
Golf
BBall
Track (in)
Track(out)
Baseball
Wrestling

Even if you count track as one theres still 6

**cybsball20** · 10-31-2011, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by GreenRocketCY

Current mens sports (7)
Football
Golf
BBall
Track (in)
Track(out)
XC
Wrestling

Hypothetical (7)
Football
Golf
BBall
Track (in)
Track(out)
Baseball
Wrestling

Even if you count track as one theres still 6

It's the same athletes and scholarships in XC too, so thats three in one.

**CloneForever** · 10-31-2011, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Senolcyc

You really want to see Iowa State spend $500,000 to go 8-40 in baseball every year? Good plan.

Well if we spent only $500,000 that would ensure we would be only 8-40.

It would take 1.5 million, plus a $10,000,000 stadium (new or overhaul of Cap Timm). I think JP said at one time, that it would take a $10,000,000 donation to even consider it.

I love baseball. I went to baseball games when Cap Timm was actually the coach. But we have a lot more important priorities.

**NATEizKING** · 10-31-2011, 04:15 PM

Doesn't MLB play enough games over the summer to keep you satisfied?

**Cyballz** · 10-31-2011, 04:18 PM

Oh my god, I swear I've seen this exact same argument over...and over...and over....and over...and over...

**ribsnwhiskey** · 10-31-2011, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by BirdOfWar

No matter if you want ISU to have baseball or not, why does this get brought up so often? How many times does Pollard have to answer this question about baseball coming back?

Has that much changed in the past couple months that we magically have a huge surplus to bring back baseball?

I didn't know anyone was asking him. Does he read this board? Is that you, Jamie?