Louisville still in play for B12

**aeroclone** · 11-01-2011, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Mizzoulander

Any move to 12 (or 14) teams has to work around one immutable fact: the remaining conference teams are going to receive less per team, at least in the short term. From a fan perspective, 12 is great: easier road to division titles, the conference name matches its # of members, etc.

For a school looking at taking a $3-4M per year hit, it's a little different. ESPN and Fox already helped out the Big 12 by maintaining payouts for a 12-team league with only 10 members. From their perspective, they've already paid for 12 teams...they're not going to pay more.

Nobody gets added to the Big 12 unless the league is sure it can make up that share of revenue in the next TV deal. That means 10 teams for now, like it or not.

There is absolutely no financial issue getting to 12. Leagues are getting $20-$25M for their championship games alone, so the 12th team pays for itself. With that, you only need to split the cash to pay for the 11th team. If you are looking at around $20M per school (currently what we expect for top B12 schools), then the 10 original schools are giving up about $2M per school to pay school 11. However, it sounds like TCU and WVU are getting phased in over several years to full revenue sharing, starting with only a 50% cut. That means, you have $10-$15M left over from the title game after paying team 12, which then pays for the $10M for team 11. As they step up, you may get to maybe a $1M per school impact in a couple years, but then we renegotiate Tier 1 and everyone will be getting a big boost.

I think the total cash impact of going to 12 would be at the most around $3M per school total from now until the new tier 1 deal in a few years, far less than $3-$4M per year. Given that the total AD budgets of these schools over the next 3 years probably ranges from $150-$300M+, this is chump change, even to the smaller schools. This is a small price to pay for the benefits that you get from a 12 team league.

**jbhtexas** · 11-01-2011, 04:30 PM

Berry Trammel is flinging poo (again) regarding the 10-game conference schedule.

Also, most anything in Berry's columns that isn't linked to another confirmable source is probably poo as well...

**BenEClone** · 11-01-2011, 05:06 PM

The southern block doesn't seem to want to expand now, presumably due to a smaller piece of a fixed pie. The expansion past 10 could be locked in now with a postponed implementation. E.g. We could sign Louisville and others now but to join in 2 years, close to when the tv contract is up so their value can be taken into account. I think we ultimately want to be larger than 10 and we don't want to risk good candidates committing elsewhere.

**CycloneErik** · 11-01-2011, 05:21 PM

My argument:
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**Chitowncy** · 11-01-2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

I'm with ruxcytable, who's with stewo who's with erick who's with Al.

I'm with posting regular alarson who's with ruxcytable, who's with Stewo, who's with Erik, who's with Al. Phew!

Seriously, I would LOVE to add Louisville! It would bring great basketball (huge, KU- like attendance) and help make up for the horrible basketball addition of TCU. But, I'm a basketball-first kind-of-guy and understand that football is driving the bus. I hope this is true. Bring Cincy too (if BYU is a no) and get back to 12!

**Rockman** · 11-01-2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by everyyard

No on cincy. They are CUSA material, not XII. 10 game slate basically makes Iowa a must win. Most years our chance of bowling with an iowa loss would be not good.

As a WVU fan you should not sell Cincy short. They put a pretty good football product on the field. They lost their coach to Notre Dame but the present coach Butch Jones is building a nice program. Their bb is above average. They had Coach Huggins before K-State and us. He is a Morgantown native and wanted to come home. He would not have spent one at K-State if he and our old AD could have worked things out. I hear the books are not real good for Cincy but they would be next in my book. Since you guys recruit Florida pretty heavy, how about South Florida. They beat Miami and Notre Dame recently and are a decent program. Their location should enhance recruiting for all of us. Thanks!

**BTYamsac** · 11-01-2011, 09:30 PM

We need to bring it to 12 teams and have a championship game. Put the teams in a North/South like we had before. It will bring more revenue in the end and we won't have to see some teams (ISU) struggle to get to the 6 wins for a bowl game.
As for basketball, EVERY conference could use a Louisville! Think of the games between them and Kansas. I have to agree with others when they say turn it on to Cincy or South Florida. Personally, I'd love to see South Florida for recruiting purposes.
If I'm a kid from Tampa and have a chance to play at home atleast once during my college career, I'd love it!

**kingcy** · 11-01-2011, 10:00 PM

Wouldnt expanding the Big 12 footprint east be huge for the Big 12?

**BTYamsac** · 11-01-2011, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

Wouldnt expanding the Big 12 footprint east be huge for the Big 12?

Getting any recruiting east of Illinois would be huge! If ISU could get into Ohio and Penn, that would bring in some **** that has never been seen before. We've been trying to get into Texas and Florida for years with some success but we need into the east bad!
Thats how the big boys play!!

**twojman** · 11-01-2011, 10:38 PM

Everyone needs to remember the Big 12 will not get additional monies if a championship game is added. ESPN/ABC left the payout as is when Nebbie and CU left which is how the 10 schools are getting more money. I personally think it is shortsighted of the conference to not expand so as to get extra monies for a couple of years.

**twojman** · 11-01-2011, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by BTYamsac

Getting any recruiting east of Illinois would be huge! If ISU could get into Ohio and Penn, that would bring in some **** that has never been seen before. We've been trying to get into Texas and Florida for years with some success but we need into the east bad!
Thats how the big boys play!!

I agree, I know Cincy is not huge in Ohio but being able to get a foot in the door there and WV/Kentucky could open up some new regions and potentially fertile recruiting grounds. I would think the Big 10 hates the idea of the Big 12 getting into Ohio at all.

**Wesley** · 11-01-2011, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by twojman

Everyone needs to remember the Big 12 will not get additional monies if a championship game is added. ESPN/ABC left the payout as is when Nebbie and CU left which is how the 10 schools are getting more money. I personally think it is shortsighted of the conference to not expand so as to get extra monies for a couple of years.

This is why I want OU and UT to always lose in a 10 team conference. It may drive them to go to 12 teams anyway.

**kingcy** · 11-01-2011, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by twojman

Everyone needs to remember the Big 12 will not get additional monies if a championship game is added. ESPN/ABC left the payout as is when Nebbie and CU left which is how the 10 schools are getting more money. I personally think it is shortsighted of the conference to not expand so as to get extra monies for a couple of years.

If the conference expands east it brings in a new TV market, which mean more money. ESPN and Fox are in on what is going in in the exp talks. Contracts can be redone if the conference goes to 12. First teir rights are up in a few years. The Big 12 can sell the Big 12 title game to the highest bidder. Fox is paying over $20M a year to the Big 10 for their title game.

**Rockman** · 11-01-2011, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by kingcy

If the conference expands east it brings in a new TV market, which mean more money. ESPN and Fox are in on what is going in in the exp talks. Contracts can be redone if the conference goes to 12. First teir rights are up in a few years. The Big 12 can sell the Big 12 title game to the highest bidder. Fox is paying over $20M a year to the Big 10 for their title game.

I like your thinking kingcy. ESPN and Fox are not just in on, but the master drivers of realignment. IT is all about marketshare, ie, tv sets and eyeballs. If you are from a small rural state you are sucking hind tit. I think both would be more than willing to open their checkbook for a more exposure and a championship game. The one leftover I can't figure out is Rutgers. They are the land grant university of New Jersey and have one of the largest markets in their back yard. Football is average, Basketball less so, but this is about market.............just ask Misery.

**Frak** · 11-01-2011, 11:50 PM

If I were to call the shots, I'd go with 12 teams. Make the divisions as equal as possible and have a championship game. Play 8 conference games, but stipulate that all teams have to play at least one BCS opponent in the nonconference. That would make the TV package more attractive. For the extra teams, I would add Louisville now. The other spot goes to Mizzou if they want it. Otherwise, shoot for ND (pipedream) and if not, grab a USF, Tulane or BYU.