Interesting Charlie Weis Interview

[weR138]

You're are just making statements without knowing any facts. He developed Brady, so that's a pretty big deal. He turned the Chiefs from a cellar dweller to the playoffs in one year and now they are back in the cellar. The FL offensive line is one of the worst in all of the SEC and they have no talent currently at receiver and little talent at qb and the best qb was hurt. All the FL media that's interviewed KU have told them that their talent level on that side of the ball was brutal for SEC standards. Bottom line is that it's worth the risk. We have gone to successive bowls once in the history of our program. Doesn't hurt to take a shot at Weis.

Great coaches coach up players. Charlie can't. KU's talent will never be in the top half of the Big XII. So where does that leave Charlie's superior offensive mind?

Unemployed in five years.

[isuforlife]

why does he have a cane?

[CykoAGR]

"Name" hires rarely do well in this type of situation. Usually it is the guy nobody expects to exceed expectations that has the success.

Wait, I know a guy just like that.

Sure am glad he kept bugging JP for the ISU job, turns out he deserved it!!

[HFCS]

What did Charlie Weis ever do that was smart. Have Tom Brady as his QB. Was the New england offense really that great or was it Tom Brady throwing to Moss and the rest of them.
Kansas City he did good.
Florida his offense was horrible with a ton of talent.

He will fail at KU just like Tubberville is doomed to fail at Tech. KU and Tech both succeeded due to Unique offenses that nobody could touch. Weis runs a pro style offense similar to that of Kirk Ferentz offense at Iowa but with a little more passing.

Spot on. This is why I'm thrilled about this move.

They went from a scary good coach, to a somewhat unproven talent they weren't patient with, to a guy running an offense that requires superior talent in a conference where he'll never have superior talent.

THANK YOU KU! The Big 12 is so tough we need at least 2-3 teams to not be top 25 caliber.

And re: KF, his offensive philosophy works when he has a dominant Oline, in years they don't their offense is bad or average. If Charlie couldn't get the horses he needed for a pro set offense at ND he's certainly not going to at a worse program playing tougher competition.

I like ISU's chances playing KU in year one, two and three of Weis better than their chances in year three, four and five of Gill.

[HFCS]

That's ridiculous. I can name a lot of coaches who were successful at less high profile jobs but didn't get it done in a high pressure job.

Worse talent, tougher schedule, pro set offense. What part of that spells more wins than he had at ND?

KU fired a coach who was a hot name after two seasons playing against the #1 SOS. They sure think the job is high pressure even if it shouldn't be.

If they apply the same standards to Wies as Gill he could be fired after 10-15 games.

[mt85]

KU is currently in the honeymoon phase that goes along with every new hire. Their fans will try to rationalize that this time it will be different. They seem to be clinging to the perception that he is so intelligent.

The irony of that rationalization is that a really intelligent person wouldn't have made those mistakes the first time, or they would have recognized and addressed their mistakes long before they led to termination.

Football isn't rocket science. It isn't like he hasn't invested his entire career in the coaching profession. If he didn't understand what it takes to be successful before he took the ND job then he never will.

Not only was this a bad hire it came with a $2.5m price tag. They were so enamored with buying a name brand car that they ignored the fact that it won't start.

They may have a tough time digging themselves out of this hole. Due to the TG buyout, they may be stuck honoring this contract.

Their ineptitude will be good for ISU. It never hurts to have an easy conference game on the schedule.

[trajanJ]

Spot on. This is why I'm thrilled about this move.

They went from a scary good coach, to a somewhat unproven talent they weren't patient with, to a guy running an offense that requires superior talent in a conference where he'll never have superior talent.

THANK YOU KU! The Big 12 is so tough we need at least 2-3 teams to not be top 25 caliber.

And re: KF, his offensive philosophy works when he has a dominant Oline, in years they don't their offense is bad or average. If Charlie couldn't get the horses he needed for a pro set offense at ND he's certainly not going to at a worse program playing tougher competition.

I like ISU's chances in year one, two and three of Weis better than their chances in year three, four and five of Gill.

You have totally lost all credibility after that statement. You have no idea how bad it is right now because Gill was here two years. Players aren't making grades, aren't passing drug tests and aren't working out. Players have said they didn't try in practice and took advantage of Gill's style. Gill was the worst coach KU has ever had and that is really saying something.

[Mizzoulander]

why does he have a cane?

So he can look classy. I think he's getting a monocle too. Like Mr. Peanut.

[weR138]

You have totally lost all credibility after that statement. You have no idea how bad it is right now because Gill was here two years. Players aren't making grades, aren't passing drug tests and aren't working out. Players have said they didn't try in practice and took advantage of Gill's style. Gill was the worst coach KU has ever had and that is really saying something.

Oh yeah, well, they weren't using curse words and they were polite. Doesn't that count for something!?!

[Jarrods79]

You're are just making statements without knowing any facts. He developed Brady, so that's a pretty big deal. He turned the Chiefs from a cellar dweller to the playoffs in one year and now they are back in the cellar. The FL offensive line is one of the worst in all of the SEC and they have no talent currently at receiver and little talent at qb and the best qb was hurt. All the FL media that's interviewed KU have told them that their talent level on that side of the ball was brutal for SEC standards. Bottom line is that it's worth the risk. We have gone to successive bowls once in the history of our program. Doesn't hurt to take a shot at Weis.

Skeptical on how instrumental he was in developing Brady, but we'll let that slide. Experience with the Chiefs was impressive, but success in the NFL doesn't really translate down to college football, especially with rebuilding jobs at non-traditional powerhouse institutions (as KU would be). But one thing stuck out about your response...the FLORIDA talent level was brutal and that was the reason he wasn't successful there...what does that mean for the KANSAS talent level in the Big 12?

The bottom line is this: he hasn't exactly shown the preponderance of developing college talent (something KU desperately needs...lot of raw talent there) and his recruiting prowess has been marginalized by his lack of familiarity with the area and his unsuccessful runs at ND and FL. To me, it sounds like the exact opposite of what KU needed in their situation. I don't see how it was worth the risk with that in mind and the coaching turnover that results from a more demanding job atmosphere nowadays. Where is the high reward? Going back to a low-tier bowl game?

[trajanJ]

KU is currently in the honeymoon phase that goes along with every new hire. Their fans will try to rationalize that this time it will be different. They seem to be clinging to the perception that he is so intelligent.

The irony of that rationalization is that a really intelligent person wouldn't have made those mistakes the first time, or they would have recognized and addressed their mistakes long before they led to termination.

Football isn't rocket science. It isn't like he hasn't invested his entire career in the coaching profession. If he didn't understand what it takes to be successful before he took the ND job then he never will.

Not only was this a bad hire it came with a $2.5m price tag. They were so enamored with buying a name brand car that they ignored the fact that it won't start.

They may have a tough time digging themselves out of this hole. Due to the TG buyout, they may be stuck honoring this contract.

Their ineptitude will be good for ISU. It never hurts to have an easy conference game on the schedule.

The Gill buyout is already paid for by boosters. Bill Belichick failed in his first try as a head coach. I guess the Patriots were idiots for giving him another shot. There's been plenty of people that have learned from their mistakes and succeeded when they got another shot. Weis had a 100% graduation rate and had highly ranked recruiting classes at ND. I know it's easy to recruit at ND but he had better rated recruiting classes then the coach before him and after him. If he recruits better than KU's previous coaches and the players make grades then even if he fails on the field he isn't digging a deep hole for KU. We're not OU. He can fail and it will be what usually happens at KU. KU has won one conference game in their last 24 tries.

[HFCS]

You have totally lost all credibility after that statement. You have no idea how bad it is right now because Gill was here two years. Players aren't making grades, aren't passing drug tests and aren't working out. Players have said they didn't try in practice and took advantage of Gill's style. Gill was the worst coach KU has ever had and that is really saying something.

Tell me how Weis is going to line up in a pro set offense against the Big 12.

I'd be terrified if he was hired as ISU's new offensive coordinator and we have more weapons on offense than KU.

Gill's offense was a better fit for KU and the Big 12. I'll be shocked if Weis beats a team better than MAC champion Northern Illinois and has games like Gill did against OU and ISU this year in year one.

Gill was a victim of Mangino's success, the Weis hiring is a product of the irrational arrogance Mangino's success led to.

[mt85]

The Gill buyout is already paid for by boosters. Bill Belichick failed in his first try as a head coach. I guess the Patriots were idiots for giving him another shot. There's been plenty of people that have learned from their mistakes and succeeded when they got another shot. Weis had a 100% graduation rate and had highly ranked recruiting classes at ND. I know it's easy to recruit at ND but he had better rated recruiting classes then the coach before him and after him. If he recruits better than KU's previous coaches and the players make grades then even if he fails on the field he isn't digging a deep hole for KU. We're not OU. He can fail and it will be what usually happens at KU. KU has won one conference game in their last 24 tries.

Savor the honeymoon.

[weR138]

The Gill buyout is already paid for by boosters. Bill Belichick failed in his first try as a head coach. I guess the Patriots were idiots for giving him another shot. There's been plenty of people that have learned from their mistakes and succeeded when they got another shot. Weis had a 100% graduation rate and had highly ranked recruiting classes at ND. I know it's easy to recruit at ND but he had better rated recruiting classes then the coach before him and after him. If he recruits better than KU's previous coaches and the players make grades then even if he fails on the field he isn't digging a deep hole for KU. We're not OU. He can fail and it will be what usually happens at KU. KU has won one conference game in their last 24 tries.

Apples and oranges.

Good point, the next guy might come in with a full cupboard...

[trajanJ]

Skeptical on how instrumental he was in developing Brady, but we'll let that slide. Experience with the Chiefs was impressive, but success in the NFL doesn't really translate down to college football, especially with rebuilding jobs at non-traditional powerhouse institutions (as KU would be). But one thing stuck out about your response...the FLORIDA talent level was brutal and that was the reason he wasn't successful there...what does that mean for the KANSAS talent level in the Big 12?

The bottom line is this: he hasn't exactly shown the preponderance of developing college talent (something KU desperately needs...lot of raw talent there) and his recruiting prowess has been marginalized by his lack of familiarity with the area and his unsuccessful runs at ND and FL. To me, it sounds like the exact opposite of what KU needed in their situation. I don't see how it was worth the risk with that in mind and the coaching turnover that results from a more demanding job atmosphere nowadays. Where is the high reward? Going back to a low-tier bowl game?

That's the best argument I've seen. A lot of that is done by assistants and having the right staff. The staff usually makes or breaks a head coach. I give him an A+ on his O line coach and I think Grunhard will do more with less. But the rest of the hires will determine his overall success. If he doesn't make the right hires he won't have a chance. If his recruiting prowess has been marginalized it sure doesn't look like it early. He's getting in doors of recruits we couldn't touch before right now as I type this. I think you have to give him a pass on FL from what I've been hearing that went on down there nobody could win in the SEC with the current FL offensive talent including a certain coach that mysteriously left and then showed up again at OSU.