***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[jbhtexas]

Then how come TCU cannot get 20,000 people to go to their games? Because no one is Dallas cares about TCU! I was hoping you would stop posting after your "we will never win a road game" rant that ended with a thud this Wednesday.

Why so bitter?

According to Big12sports.com (the official website of the Big 12), TCU FB attendance averaged 46,046 this past season, which was better than 5 Pac-12 teams.

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410...ly-release.pdf page 6
http://pac-12.com/portals/0/content/...fb-1-16-13.pdf page 7

[jbhtexas]

What's the hurry, guys? Let the B1G rush to capitalize on an untested, unsustainable business model.

Exactly.

[weR138]

I remember when many people here wanted to be in the Big East lol

No one wanted to be in the Big East.

Apples and oranges to this deal. That was before the BE was raided for teams, and at a time where it looked the B12 was dead and our other options were MWC or the MAC. At the time, it made sense.

ISU was never going to be nor will it ever be demoted and neither will any other public AQ football program.

Nobody wanted to be in the Big East. A lot of people were of the opinion that if the Big XII fell apart the Big East would have been preferable to the Mountain West. Big difference.

Anyone who thought we'd get demoted was wrong and if they think we still might get demoted they are still wrong.

[brett108]

Why so bitter?

According to Big12sports.com (the official website of the Big 12), TCU FB attendance averaged 46,046 this past season, which was better than 5 Pac-12 teams.

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410...ly-release.pdf page 6
http://pac-12.com/portals/0/content/...fb-1-16-13.pdf page 7

Glad so many "donated" by purchasing tickets they never used. Watch a TCU game. There is no one actually there.

[jbhtexas]

Glad so many "donated" by purchasing tickets they never used.

Such an atrocity. Thankfully, no other school has ever done such a thing.

[Judoka]

ISU was never going to be nor will it ever be demoted and neither will any other public AQ football program.

Signed,
Members of the SWC that didn't make the cut for the Big XII and all members of the Big East.

[weR138]

Signed,
Members of the SWC that didn't make the cut for the Big XII and all members of the Big East.

Which are who? Academic/research profiles, AD budgets, fanbase size? Give me a list of programs that have been explicitly demoted. The demotion alarmists are silly and wrong. Don't be one.

[HFCS]

Signed,
Members of the SWC that didn't make the cut for the Big XII and all members of the Big East.

He said publicly funded AQ school, so wouldn't that technically be just UConn, Cincy, and USF at this point?

USF and UConn have practically no major conference football history. Cincy is certainly toward the bottom in that area too.

I agree and somewhat disagree with him. I think conferences would try to squeeze out the ISU, KSU, Miss St, WSU types if they thought it could make them a buck, but I also think that's when the major trials and government squeeze starts.

[weR138]

He said publicly funded AQ school, so wouldn't that technically be just UConn, Cincy, and USF at this point?

USF and UConn have practically no major conference football history. Cincy is certainly toward the bottom in that area too.

I agree and somewhat disagree with him. I think conferences would try to squeeze out the ISU, KSU, Miss St, WSU types if they thought it could make them a buck, but I also think that's when the major trials and government squeeze starts.

One of these kids is not like the others.

[jdoggivjc]

One of these kids is not like the others.

ISU is the AAU school?

[Judoka]

I agree and somewhat disagree with him. I think conferences would try to squeeze out the ISU, KSU, Miss St, WSU types if they thought it could make them a buck, but I also think that's when the major trials and government squeeze starts.

Yeah, ISU got a lot of bad press because of the Big XII almost falling apart. But schools like Washington State, Purdue, Vanderbilt, etc... wouldn't fare any better if their conferences collapsed.

[aeroclone]

I can't believe how many of you guys are on here flapping your gums about ISU academics after having watched this stuff play out over the last few years. Academics don't count for **** in all of this. All that matters is your ability to feed the football revenue machine for the conference, and for that ISU doesn't deliver jack. Any expansion scenarios that involve the Big 12 dissolving should concern any rational ISU fan for that exact reason. As soon as we find ourselves out looking for a home, we realize we don't have much to offer in regards of what our new potential land lords are looking for.

[klamath632]

I'm not wearing any cardinal glasses.

After you have Texas, OU, and KU, what team in the Big 12 is the next most valuable to the PAC? ISU is. We bring 3 million more TV's, AAU status, and packed crowds for football and basketball.

I'm just going to assume that you're high right now.

[weR138]

I can't believe how many of you guys are on here flapping your gums about ISU academics after having watched this stuff play out over the last few years. Academics don't count for **** in all of this. All that matters is your ability to feed the football revenue machine for the conference, and for that ISU doesn't deliver jack. Any expansion scenarios that involve the Big 12 dissolving should concern any rational ISU fan for that exact reason. As soon as we find ourselves out looking for a home, we realize we don't have much to offer in regards of what our new potential land lords are looking for.

Again, who's been demoted?

So what exactly are we lacking that will get us demoted?

When does the Big XII dissolve and why? How does ISU get demoted, exactly?

[Judoka]

How does ISU get demoted, exactly?

The Big XII dissolves for whatever reason and ISU doesn't get an invite to a power conference.

See: The SWC two decades ago. The Big East right now.