***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[Wesley]

Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.

MAC like.

[cykadelic2]

Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.

If significant realignment occurs in the next few months (and it appears it will), the ACC will end up looking like the old Big East, the Big East will end up looking like the old CUSA, and most of the existing ACC schools will be disbursed among the B10, B12 and SEC.

[swarthmoreCY]

Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.

As has been said, the Big East is really C-USA and the ACC is the Big East.

Imo, many of the ACC schools can be had if the Big 12 would invite enough that they had their own division.

[scyclonekid]

The Big Twelve needs to make a move and sweep up the good ACC schools along with UL.

[cykadelic2]

It could be legit. If I remember correctly, ND picked Navy as one of their guaranteed rivalry games (just like USC) when they partially joined the ACC. It could be an attempt to force ND's hand. The rest of the ACC said they'd sign the GOR if ND joined 100%.

... And Navy has an order of magnitude more tradition (and fans/TVs) than Maryland ever did.

Full membership by ND is the only way the ACC as we know it stays intact. What ND and NBC should do is create a new 8-team FB conference with Eastern schools like Duke, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Miami and UConn. ND can play those 7 every season and still have five games to play the likes of USC, Stanford, Navy, Purdue, Michigan, etc. This new conference can then add G-Town and Nova for a strong 10-team hoops and non-rev sports conference.

Seems like a no-brainer to me given that NBC and NBCSN is dying for new content.

[DistrictCyclone]

As has been said, the Big East is really C-USA and the ACC is the Big East.

Imo, many of the ACC schools can be had if the Big 12 would invite enough that they had their own division.

Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

[BloodyBuddy]

Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Probably would be us, but could make a case for TCU being the newbie too.

[swarthmoreCY]

Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

You infered correctly, and it would depend on the Big 12's T3 model changing to a conference network. WVA moves to the ACC side. Given our lack of leverage, that side would be mostly up to them, but ideally (imo) it would be FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, UNC, Duke, NC St, Va. Tech, and Pitt.
I am guessing UVa and Va Tech would be a package, and Tobacco Road would mandate UVa, so no Pitt. Rumor has it they (Tobacco Road) would rebuild the ACC with UL and UConn if Ga Tech, UVa went to the Big 10 and FSU + Clemson went to the Big 12. Speculating further, this may mean the NC schools would demand Wake's inclusion, and that the Big 12 would need to add UL to get the 5 other ACC schools (in addition to FSU & Clemson).

Without the conference network, 18 is likely too many teams, as stability comes from $$$ and a GoR. Also, FSU has already shown they are not happy with the football side of things, and this would not likely change this without creative scheduling.

[scyclonekid]

The Big Twelve needs to get UL so the ACC does not for expansion purpose, beat them to the punch then get FSU, CU, Gtech, UNC, and Duke (for bball.) or NCST. Or just expand to Twelve with FSU and CU, but that would not add enough profit to the league like expanding with others mentioned to get to 16. Or just sit tight at 10.

[HFCS]

Probably would be us, but could make a case for TCU being the newbie too.

And the new eastern teams would all like the idea of a game in texas more often. TCU was dying to be in a league with UConn and Boise State, ACC teams would practically be regional compared to that.

[acgclone]

The Big Twelve needs to make a move and sweep up the good ACC schools along with UL.

Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.

[swarthmoreCY]

Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.

We will see.

[Tornado man]

Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.

Agree totally.

[cygrads]

Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.

Not unless they want to come as a package. Big10 & SEC don't have room for all of them and it seemed like last summer FSU didn't want to come unless Miami, GT & Clemson also came. If the Big 12 offers to take Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, Pitt & UL as a package I think they come and Big 10 can take UNC & UVA and SEC takes VaTech & NCSU or some combo. That way Big10, SEC and Big12 all stop at 16.

[cyclonepower]

Agree totally.

I agree too, but that's better than being option 4 or 5...