***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

The giant hole in the "we should have added Louisville" argument is this:

If we had added Louisville, the ACC would have just Cincy or UConn in their stead. Cincy is just as good of a football school as Louisville, and if adding a football school was all FSU and Clemson needed to be happy, it would be the exact same position. Then, we would be stuck with an extra member that didn't add a lick of value, and the ACC's position would be unchanged.

C-USA just added Middle Tennessee State - we are losing out on all the good options as we sit on our hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

















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Originally Posted by cyclonehokiece

Everything is riding on the ACC's lawsuit against Maryland. If they win, don't know if anyone else would leave. If they settle for less than the full buyout, ACC is as unstable as ever, get ready for poaching season.

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Unless ACC does a grant of rights because that would make them as unpoachable as the big 12 teams. I see no reason why they wouldn't do that.

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Originally Posted by ElephantPie

Unless ACC does a grant of rights because that would make them as unpoachable as the big 12 teams. I see no reason why they wouldn't do that.

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I'm sure the ACC wants to do that, but there will be a hand full of schools who will not agree to it.

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Originally Posted by ElephantPie

Unless ACC does a grant of rights because that would make them as unpoachable as the big 12 teams. I see no reason why they wouldn't do that.

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They dont have the votes for the grant of rights.

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Originally Posted by Al_4_State

The giant hole in the "we should have added Louisville" argument is this:

If we had added Louisville, the ACC would have just Cincy or UConn in their stead. Cincy is just as good of a football school as Louisville, and if adding a football school was all FSU and Clemson needed to be happy, it would be the exact same position. Then, we would be stuck with an extra member that didn't add a lick of value, and the ACC's position would be unchanged.

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The ACC's self proclaimed academic superiority diminishes with every defection. If UVA and UNC were to leave that's another major hit. Is this what is keeping CU and FSU from jumping? Why doesn't FSU want to close the $$$ gap with Florida?

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Originally Posted by Al_4_State

If the Big 12 wanted Louisville, we'd have had them a year ago.

The short-sightedness and ridiculous demands for immediate action that generate out of realignment hysteria drive me nuts.

Why did the Big 12 lose teams before? Because we were underpaid and there was a major lack of unity among schools. Those problems have been rectified. The amount of schools in a conference is irrelevant as long as they are well compensated and in unison. The Big 12's pay day is on par with all other major leagues and well ahead of the ACC, even with their addition of Louisville. Louisville is not going to change FSU or Clemson's mind. If they want a football first league, Louisville doesn't add much to that. If they want more money, Louisville doesn't add anything to that. If FSU and Clemson want out of the ACC (and that's a total "if" in my mind) this doesn't prevent that. If the Big 10 offers other ACC schools, the addition of Louisville won't keep them there. This is all extremely obvious to me, but I worry that the clamor of idiots who can't see it will force a rash decision, a la Mizzou to the SEC.

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Hmmm. Typically when a Hurricane is coming, I bet on the guy stocking up on water and ammo, not the guy praying it misses him.

And if you think the Big 12 is unified, you are kidding yourself.

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Originally Posted by Al_4_State

The giant hole in the "we should have added Louisville" argument is this:

If we had added Louisville, the ACC would have just Cincy or UConn in their stead. Cincy is just as good of a football school as Louisville, and if adding a football school was all FSU and Clemson needed to be happy, it would be the exact same position. Then, we would be stuck with an extra member that didn't add a lick of value, and the ACC's position would be unchanged.

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Cincy's football program is not as good as 'Ville. Had we taken Louisville, it would have forced the ACC to take UCONN, which would have made FSU start really looking around.

At this point, I think nothing happens until the Big 12 GOR is up, at which all heck breaks loose again.

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Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Cincy's football program is not as good as 'Ville. Had we taken Louisville, it would have forced the ACC to take UCONN, which would have made FSU start really looking around.

At this point, I think nothing happens until the Big 12 GOR is up, at which all heck breaks loose again.

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You're assuming that the B12 isn't going to extend the GOR before that would even remotely become an option. It would be idiotic for the B12 members and Commissioner to wait until it expired to renegotiate a new GOR.

I feel bad for cinci and uconn. Could have easily been us. Thank goodness it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by RayShimley

You're assuming that the B12 isn't going to extend the GOR before that would even remotely become an option. It would be idiotic for the B12 members and Commissioner to wait until it expired to renegotiate a new GOR.

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Unless there are schools that want it to expire and there will be a couple at least that might feel that way. We certainly have a few schools in our league that would be in huge demand as free agents.

My thoughts are that we should add Cincy and Pitt. Before you freak out, listen to my logic...

Cincy and Pitt are both great universities and help bring academic reputation to the Big 12 in addition to great athletics. The two universities are large universities (Cincy = 41K students, Pitt = 28K). Both bring a lot of eastern eyeballs/TVs to the Big 12. It brings back the backyard brawl. It would also give the big 12 a halfway normal looking footprint. The Big 12 gets a championship game again. AND from an Iowa State stand point, it adds BEATABLE teams that still add value.

Also, if Pitt gets raided from the ACC, they reload with UCONN. Every conference is happy, no real superconferences are formed, thus no BCS Armageddon occurs. The Big East dies a peaceful basketball school death. Everybody's happy. (Also, my grad school Alma Mater, NCSU, is ensured a safe home)

For everyone having a wet dream about Lousiville, just remember this...

TCU was headed to the Big East too. They changed course before ever officially joining once the Big 12 made their move.

Lousiville to join ACC in July 2014? That leaves 18+ months. If we want Lousiville, they aren't off the table yet.

The dream scenarios are fun to speculate about...and I actually enjoy the realignment talk. But in all seriousness...how many of the ACC schools WANT to become Big 12 schools? Some of the speculation here sure makes it seem like all of the ACC schools want to be here? Of course...we don't really know the answer.

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Originally Posted by cyfanatic

The dream scenarios are fun to speculate about...and I actually enjoy the realignment talk. But in all seriousness...how many of the ACC schools WANT to become Big 12 schools? Some of the speculation here sure makes it seem like all of the ACC schools want to be here? Of course...we don't really know the answer.

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Big 12 money>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACC money. For a money starved school like Miami and FSU, I think that alone is a deciding factor. I was reading the other day that the end payout will be around 15 million per school in the ACC. ESPN came out this morning and said they would not increase the payout with the addition of Louisville but they would not decrease due to the loss of Maryland. 15 million? We at ISU are pulling in around 21-22 million without even factoring in 3rd tier rights, which we own. In the ACC, the ACC owns all rights. OU is making the ballpark of 30 million this year, Texas 37 million. ACC is not even in the ballpark there. And its only going to get bigger.