***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I think the darkhorse in all this is Miami.

[weR138]

The dream scenarios are fun to speculate about...and I actually enjoy the realignment talk. But in all seriousness...how many of the ACC schools WANT to become Big 12 schools? Some of the speculation here sure makes it seem like all of the ACC schools want to be here? Of course...we don't really know the answer.

I'm sure Wake has absolutely no interest in the B12. But FSU seems like the sort of program that fancies itself as an NC competitor. Well, being in the ACC does nothing for them in that regard. Also, Florida stands to make something like $100,000,000.00 more than FSU over the next ten years. In the FL in-state arms race FSU is losing. Would joining the B12 not help them competitively AND financially? What's holding them back?

[RayShimley]

Big 12 money>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACC money. For a money starved school like Miami and FSU, I think that alone is a deciding factor. I was reading the other day that the end payout will be around 15 million per school in the ACC. ESPN came out this morning and said they would not increase the payout with the addition of Louisville but they would not decrease due to the loss of Maryland. 15 million? We at ISU are pulling in around 21-22 million without even factoring in 3rd tier rights, which we own. In the ACC, the ACC owns all rights. OU is making the ballpark of 30 million this year, Texas 37 million. ACC is not even in the ballpark there. And its only going to get bigger.

Not to mention something like 3.5-4 mil per school from ESPN for the Champions Bowl starting in 2016. ACC's new deal with the Orange bowl is 70% of the Champ. Bowl's payout ($55 mil/year vs $80 mil/year), and set to be split 14 ways instead of 10.

[Wesley]

We have plenty of football games in Texas. Look at what adding Louisville could have added to the MBB profile vs. TCU.

21,000 fans for Louisville basketball. TCU will probably average 2,100.

Louisville has better athletic programs than TCU or WVU.

[cyfanatic]

I'm sure Wake has absolutely no interest in the B12. But FSU seems like the sort of program that fancies itself as an NC competitor. Well, being in the ACC does nothing for them in that regard. Also, Florida stands to make something like $100,000,000.00 more than FSU over the next ten years. In the FL in-state arms race FSU is losing. Would joining the B12 not help them competitively AND financially? What's holding them back?

That is a great question. If your statements are agreeable (which I believe they are), why isn't FSU jumping at an opportunity to joint the Big12? Or isn't there an opportunity? Do we not want them?

[UNIGuy4Cy]

That is a great question. If your statements are agreeable (which I believe they are), why isn't FSU jumping at an opportunity to joint the Big12? Or isn't there an opportunity? Do we not want them?

Oh I believe the Big 12 wants to expand, but the waiting game is on with Maryland. If they can settle for 20 mill tops, which they believe they can, the game is on. The teams have to also make financial sense, FSU, Miami, Clemson all do.

[copper]

I really doubt that the Big XII expands. The leadership believes these big conferences are a strategic mistake. Chuck Neinas said as much multiple times and he is one very sharp dude. They love the footbal and basketball scheduling with 10. Also said only Notre Dame adds TV value. What more do they have to say to convince people that they are not expanding?? Bottomline is: This, we have to do it because everyone else is, makes little to no sense to our leadership. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

[Wesley]

Oh I believe the Big 12 wants to expand, but the waiting game is on with Maryland. If they can settle for 20 mill tops, which they believe they can, the game is on. The teams have to also make financial sense, FSU, Miami, Clemson all do.

I thought if over half the league members vacate, the exit fee should be much less.

[Al_4_State]

Cincy's football program is not as good as 'Ville. Had we taken Louisville, it would have forced the ACC to take UCONN, which would have made FSU start really looking around.

At this point, I think nothing happens until the Big 12 GOR is up, at which all heck breaks loose again.

Cincy's football program is better than the Ville, recently. If you think that Louisville v. UConn v. Cincy made a damn bit of difference to FSU, you're kidding yourself. Also, please point to any tangible sign of Big 12 discord. You are so wrapped up in realignment and the conspiracy theories and message board rumors that you can't see the reality of the situation. You've convinced yourself, despite all real life indicators, that evil Texas is just waiting to blow up the Big 12 (despite not doing so in 2 consecutive years when given the opportunity) and run off to Independence or the Pac, and that the only way to save the Big 12 is by adding schools that add nothing financially and only serve to add bodies, which of course will only start to create the financial discord that nearly doomed this conference two years ago.

In a hurricane, I'd rather be the guy with a sound home and a long term plan than the doomsday prepper that's out of sight with reality and cluttering his home with useless garbage.

[cyclonepower]

Anybody else following TheDudeofWV on twitter today, its like watching a soap opera...My favorites are his "teasers"..."Damn Big 12 will move before Big 10" Should I say it? I almost hate to go there. Better keep my mouth shut"

[weR138]

I really doubt that the Big XII expands. The leadership believes these big conferences are a strategic mistake. Chuck Neinas said as much multiple times and he is one very sharp dude. They love the footbal and basketball scheduling with 10. Also said only Notre Dame adds TV value. What more do they have to say to convince people that they are not expanding?? Bottomline is: This, we have to do it because everyone else is, makes little to no sense to our leadership. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

They're changing the name from the Big XII?

[aeroclone]

Oh I believe the Big 12 wants to expand, but the waiting game is on with Maryland. If they can settle for 20 mill tops, which they believe they can, the game is on. The teams have to also make financial sense, FSU, Miami, Clemson all do.

Miami makes financial sense? Really? Explain to me how a small private school facing potential sanctions as their glory days fade away brings additional TV value to the Big 12? Especially if they are part of a package that includes FSU already. I'll hang up and listen.

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Miami makes financial sense? Really? Explain to me how a small private school facing potential sanctions as their glory days fade away brings additional TV value to the Big 12? Especially if they are part of a package that includes FSU already. I'll hang up and listen.

As part of a packaged deal they do, alone they do not. Miami is a sleeping giant just like FSU has been.

[chuckd4735]

Miami makes financial sense? Really? Explain to me how a small private school facing potential sanctions as their glory days fade away brings additional TV value to the Big 12? Especially if they are part of a package that includes FSU already. I'll hang up and listen.

Huge fanbase and a large TV market.

[00clone]

I really doubt that the Big XII expands. The leadership believes these big conferences are a strategic mistake. Chuck Neinas said as much multiple times and he is one very sharp dude. They love the footbal and basketball scheduling with 10. Also said only Notre Dame adds TV value. What more do they have to say to convince people that they are not expanding?? Bottomline is: This, we have to do it because everyone else is, makes little to no sense to our leadership. Not gonna happen anytime soon.

Neinas is a sharp dude, and all of these things are things you say when you're at 10 members, regardless of whether you'd rather be at 10, 12, etc. It's not like he or Bowlsby's going to roll out at a press conference and say, you know, there's some advantages to being at 10 members, but we're not really happy with it, just trying to figure out who we want or who we can get and how much it'll mean to the bottom line.

Don't get me wrong, I stopped trying to figure out what was going to happen ahead of time on this stuff, so I'm not arguing your position on that, but using the head of the conference lauding the size of his conference as it currently stands as proof that they don't want a change doesn't hold water.