Nebraska BBall Program Now better than Us

isuforlife · 03-09-2008, 03:53 PM

yes ISU needs to get back to winning basketball , what ever it takes!!!

Steve · 03-09-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by btkc

You can't say they have better players than us. But their coach found a way to win 3 more conference games playing the exact same schedule. Just seems to me, we get outcoached alot as well to having inferior talent, which also the last time i checked falls on the coach. Say what you want about wayne. All he did is post an NCAA 2nd round berth, and an NIT Final 4 in 3 years.

Here's what I'll say about Wayne - he's not as good of coach as GMac both in terms of X & O's as well as guiding the program in the right direction. I've yet to hear a Wayne supporter come up with a valid defense of his disappointing season #3 when the carryover from LE had worn off.

You are also wrong in your appraisal of NU's talent especially when in comes to the all important back court play. If you check their schedule, you will soon find out that they defeated a few more teams than just ISU during the season. Many of those opponents were coached by guys who have proven that they know what they are doing at the D1 level.

CyValley · 03-09-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by btkc

As it pains me to say it. Nebraska bball is on the rise. I never thought the day would come when there bball program looked to be in better shape than ours. . . . There should never be a year in which NU has a better bball team than us. This years team lacked talent, which we all know. But i'm not sure it didn't lack coaching as well. . . . Some of the blame needs to fall directly on this coaching staff.

Ok, you blame the staff. Go ahead. Don't expect unanimous (or even majority) support from the rest of us here for your position, though. (Surely, you don't expect that, given that many of us have high confidence in Mac's ability to get this job done in time.)

You look at this season's ISU team and Coach Mac and see something different than most of the rest of us see. Each one of us can make a case for the position we hold. And not one of us can prove that our point of view is accurate.

Because proof lies somewhere in the future, somewhere down the road.

cyclonekj · 03-09-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by btkc

You can't say they have better players than us. But their coach found a way to win 3 more conference games playing the exact same schedule. Just seems to me, we get outcoached alot as well to having inferior talent, which also the last time i checked falls on the coach. Say what you want about wayne. All he did is post an NCAA 2nd round berth, and an NIT Final 4 in 3 years.

I'm disappointed about this season, too. However, it's unfair to keep blaming the coaching or perceived lack of talent. This team is being built from next to nothing when this staff took over and there are talented athletes on the team. It's more of a balance issue. We have a lot of athletic, swing-type players, but we're short on true shooters and inside muscle. Give McD and Co. a couple years before comparing us negatively with respect to Nebraska.

CyValley · 03-09-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Clone9

However you try and spin it, none of our previous three coaches inherited a situation like McD did. It's simply not fair to compare him to Floyd, Eustachy, and Morgan.

Absolutely the case. Accurate point beyond dispute, imho.

Which is why I discount his first season in Ames and consider this his first season in Ames. Mac's first season saw him struggling merely to survive by building any sort of roster. Now, the program is settling down, it seems.

What a colossal mess Mac was presented with shortly after he arrived in Ames. Eight players scatter to the winds. A terribly destructive coaching transition; to ignore that horrendous start to the McDermott era at ISU is to stick your head in the sand.

Comparing Mac's start at ISU to Floyd's, Eustachy's and Morgan's starts at ISU will not do.

becrisgreg · 03-09-2008, 04:09 PM

Looks like Tom Osborne has different thoughts about Nebraska having a better basketball program than we do.

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Clone_12 · 03-09-2008, 04:09 PM

Another case of someone judging the a team by the name on the front of their jersey's, and not the player's in the jerseys...Maric would play and be effective for any team in the country...people did the same thing with Drake earlier this year.

chrishull14 · 03-09-2008, 04:14 PM

Jeff Sagarin's ratings in USAToday has Iowa State's schedule ranked #52 and Nebraska's at #108

Wesley · 03-09-2008, 04:14 PM

A lot of things did not go our way. Yet if you took away Mike Taylor from last year's team, we probably would have looked the same. We won one more game last year. Unless we have someone able to dribble into the middle consistently, the current offensive scheme will be difficult to be highly productive. I assume next year Buckley, DG, and Ike will be able to dribble the middle. Last year, Mike could, This year, DG did so some at the end. Next year, we need to have someone step up. Or we need to change our offense.

Wesley · 03-09-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by chrishull14

Jeff Sagarin's ratings in USAToday has Iowa State's schedule ranked #52 and Nebraska's at #108

The four redshirts was planned because Doc knew he was in trouble with the quality of the team and he was willing to be undermanned this year. Did we not do some of this when Mike T became the point guard when we knew he was really a shooting guard? We just made ado.

Bobber · 03-09-2008, 04:17 PM

I will say Sadler didn't exactly walk into a good situation either. His hire came late and it was clear the previous coach wasn't cutting the mustard. True Maric will probably play in the NBA, but his supporting cast was pretty thin.

Our program had flown higher but also fallen farther after the GMac hire. We've got more "history" and Hilton Magic, so long term that should be good for us and bad for them.

Good for Nebraska. Glad to see them salvage a half way decent season. I think they'll be back at square one next year with all the seniors going.

CyValley · 03-09-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by btkc

You can't say they have better players than us.

Can we say that Nebraska lost its best play-making guard (Mike Taylor)?

Can we say Nebraska lost its best three-point shooter and best passer (Lucca Staiger)?

Can we say Nebraska was without its best player for key portions of the season (Wes Johnson)?

The college game is guard-driven, can we say Nebraska was forced to start two walk-ons in its back court, walk-ons who were recruited to provide backup support (Petey, Sean)?

Originally Posted by btkc

But their coach found a way to win 3 more conference games playing the exact same schedule. Just seems to me, we get outcoached alot as well to having inferior talent

The schedule isn't the key factor; team experience is the key factor.

Bunk.

83Clone · 03-09-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by btkc

As it pains me to say it. Nebraska bball is on the rise. I never thought the day would come when there bball program looked to be in better shape than ours. We just back to back losing seasons for the first time in 18 years. Nebraska just locked up another 18 win season while redshirting 4 scholarship players. With todays win over CU they will have 7 conference wins on the year. There should never be a year in which NU has a better bball team than us. This years team lacked talent, which we all know. But i'm not sure it didn't lack coaching as well. You look at some of our not so good teams since Johnny left. We still played tough at home and were able to pull off some upsets every now and then. And we never had back to back losing seasons. Call it rebuilding, call it whatever you want. Blame it on losing 8 players from 2 years ago, and rave about what McD was able to do to put together a makeshift class. I know this, Floyd never had back to back losing seasons even with the likes of Lee Love running the show. Eustachy never did it with the help of Tony Rampton. But somehow McD found a way. I love the guy to death, and really hope we find some success soon. But facts are facts. The guy has NEVER beat a ranked opponent. Some of the blame needs to fall directly on this coaching staff.

I could blow holes in each of your arguments, but I will not go there. Suffice it to say that my glass is half full, while yours is clearly half empty.

And if you know the problem, please provide us with the answer.

clonefarmer · 03-09-2008, 04:30 PM

Selective comparisons presented as absolute proof are great, aren't they? Here's my personal favorite: We beat Purdue, they finished 2nd in the Big Ten, therefore, we are better than everyone in the Big Ten but Wisconsin.

Wesley · 03-09-2008, 04:32 PM

Marik almost went back to Austrailia. Ryan Anderson was the only solid player. Cookie Miller came out of nowhere like Cavitt did for Creighton. Really, Doc does not have much n the piggy bank for players this year. He took a bunch of walkon types and molded them into believing they can compete. You have seen them play. They are a deck of cards hoping the wind does not blow them down. So we have NU and Drake overplaying their talent. Coaches can make a difference. Is Keno going to stay next year? Will Doc leave in three?