Missouri's Pinkel

**Bobber** · 10-07-2008, 10:07 AM

I like the way he does business. He hasn't made a big stink about the spitting incident with Nebraska. While he did raise heck over the somewhat controversial ISU win in Ames in 2006, he didn't say a word about it last year ahead of our game.

Maybe he uses this stuff in the locker room to motivate the team, but it doesn't hit the public air waves and I respect that.

I think Coach Chizik is the same cut.

**tejasclone** · 10-07-2008, 10:09 AM

Sure, he's classy now that his team is a favorite to win the conference and compete for a national title. But I've always felt that there was something amiss about Pinkel. His complaints following our '06 game did not sit well with me. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts next year without Daniel, and maybe without Maclin, and when his team is relegated to middle-of-the-pack in the Big 12 again.

**ISUAlum2002** · 10-07-2008, 10:09 AM

Tell me you did not just liken Chizik to Pinkel.

**WalkingCY** · 10-07-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Bobber

I like the way he does business. He hasn't made a big stink about the spitting incident with Nebraska. While he did raise heck over the somewhat controversial ISU win in Ames in 2006, he didn't say a word about it last year ahead of our game.

Maybe he uses this stuff in the locker room to motivate the team, but it doesn't hit the public air waves and I respect that.

I think Coach Chizik is the same cut.

I agree, Pinkel really keeps any kind of incident, whether positive or negative in house. Good mentor for the Missouri program.

Also, Missouri has a hell of a program now, and I really don't see them getting big heads and all- I hate to say it...since I am not a big Missouri supporter....actually dispise them a lot growing up.....mainly due to Norm Stuart in BB....(Johnny Orr still owns you in my mind pal)....but Pinkel has set them up to be successful for many years after this one I think too.

Plus they smoked Nebby too...gotta love that!

With all that said, I still would like to clip them in November and ruin their season...just like they did to us in '04.

**Rogue52** · 10-07-2008, 10:14 AM

Pinkel, the Monday after the game in 2006:

"That victory was taken away from them," Pinkel said. "It has bowl ramifications. It has financial ramifications."

"My team did a great job. They won the football game," Pinkel said.

Please never use Pinkel and Chizik in the same sentence again.

**Clonefan94** · 10-07-2008, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

Sure, he's classy now that his team is a favorite to win the conference and compete for a national title. But I've always felt that there was something amiss about Pinkel. His complaints following our '06 game did not sit well with me. It'll be interesting to see how he reacts next year without Daniel, and maybe without Maclin, and when his team is relegated to middle-of-the-pack in the Big 12 again.

Agreed. I felt the same way after the 2006 game. I was pretty much impartial to him until that day. Maybe I'd have felt a little different had it not actually been a hold, but alas, he whined about not being given the game, plain and simple. And just like you Cardinal&Gold, we'll see how things pan out when times aren't so sweet. Wasn't he a coach on the hot seat at the end of 2006? Amazing how wins will change your perception of people.

**huntt26** · 10-07-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

With all that said, I still would like to clip them in November and ruin their season...just like they did to us in '04.

Amen to that! That would be amazing.

**jimmycy** · 10-07-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by ISUAlum2002

Tell me you did not just liken Chizik to Pinkel.

I hope that someday we can liken Chizik to Pinkel.

**joefrog** · 10-07-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Rogue52

Pinkel, the Monday after the game in 2006:

"That victory was taken away from them," Pinkel said. "It has bowl ramifications. It has financial ramifications."

"My team did a great job. They won the football game," Pinkel said.

Please never use Pinkel and Chizik in the same sentence again.

Emphasis mine. Our LB, I think McKenzie, filled the whole and a Missouri lineman yanked his arm to get him out of the way. Holding, plain as day.

I have heard that Pinkel is not all that nice of a guy. When his team was just average, it showed more.

He didn't say anything about the game in 05 in Columbia where the same official made 3 bad calls to give the Tigers the win. That was a victory that was stolen.

**WalkingCY** · 10-07-2008, 10:21 AM

He didn't say anything about the game in 05 in Columbia where the same official made 3 bad calls to give the Tigers the win. That was a victory that was stolen.[/quote]

Is that the game where we had like a 10 pt lead with under 4 min. to go? Man, add another blown game to the Cyclone fire.

**ISUAlum2002** · 10-07-2008, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by jimmycy

I hope that someday we can liken Chizik to Pinkel.

No, you don't.

**tejasclone** · 10-07-2008, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by WalkingCY

Is that the game where we had like a 10 pt lead with under 4 min. to go? Man, add another blown game to the Cyclone fire.

Yes. After trailing 14-0 in the first quarter, we stormed back to take a 24-14 lead. Then we knocked out Brad Banks, and in steps Chase Daniel as a redshirt freshman, who promptly leads his team to an overtime win. I was in Columbia for that one... sure was a rotten feeling.

Of course, in that game, we lost another red zone fumble (I think it was Kock) and made some dreadful play calling in OT to set up Culbertson for a long, bad field goal attempt. Sure sounds familiar, doesn't it?

**isuno1fan** · 10-07-2008, 10:30 AM

We also recovered an obvious fumble in that game that the refs couldn't give to us because of an early whistle on the play.

**jaretac** · 10-07-2008, 10:30 AM

I don't blame Pinkel for standing up for his team, especially when losing on a questionable call; but his team did not play a great game and if anyone deserved to win that game it was ISU. With that being said, Missouri could do allot worse then Pinkel. I do think Missouri will go down hill fast in the next couple of years.

**ISUAlum2002** · 10-07-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by cardinal&gold

Yes. After trailing 14-0 in the first quarter, we stormed back to take a 24-14 lead. Then we knocked out Brad Banks, and in steps Chase Daniel as a redshirt freshman, who promptly leads his team to an overtime win. I was in Columbia for that one... sure was a rotten feeling.

Of course, in that game, we lost another red zone fumble (I think it was Kock) and made some dreadful play calling in OT to set up Culbertson for a long, bad field goal attempt. Sure sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Brad Smith.

And yes, it was Kock. He was in the open field at the Missouri 5, the Mizzou player put his helmet right on the ball and he fumbled. Would have put the game away.

But then, both fumbles that were recovered by ISU during Mizzou's game tying, final drive would have put the game away also. But they were both taken away by the SAME official from all the way on the other side of the field who made the call that the Mizzou player's forward progress had been stopped, when it had not.

I still have the Mediacom replay of this game on tape somewhere. Ugh.