Mack Brown's assistants need to have a talk with him

**twojman** · 11-30-2008, 08:07 PM

Anyone notice how large Stoops is getting? I think he is getting too comfortable their in Norman...

(Not that I have room to talk

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**d4nim4l** · 11-30-2008, 08:10 PM

I'm not so much a fan of the point differential. Whether it involves common opponents inside the division or out. If any of you were paying attention last night Musberger gave his take on what it should be and it was point differential versus five divisional opponents and Kansas. Oklahoma was already up and still beat OSU by 20.

That said, then you do get in to a situation where teams have to run up the score to have a chance. Instead, I like the SEC's system. Take the BCS rankings, disqualify the lowest team (Texas Tech) in this case. And then use the head to head to figure out who advances to the Big XII Championship. In this case, it would have been Texas.

**Clonefan32** · 11-30-2008, 08:11 PM

I think the idea of using games of chance to decide a south rep. might have some legs. Aside from the excitement and ratings, business would be lining up to for sponsorships:

-The Golds Gym Arm Wrestleoff for the South
-The Wells Fargo Coin Flip for the Championship
- Crayola's Tic Tac Toe Throwdown

**CycloneErik** · 11-30-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan32

I think the idea of using games of chance to decide a south rep. might have some legs. Aside from the excitement and ratings, business would be lining up to for sponsorships:

-The Golds Gym Arm Wrestleoff for the South
-The Wells Fargo Coin Flip for the Championship
- Crayola's Tic Tac Toe Throwdown

Change that last one to "Crayola's Tic Tac Throwdown" and you can add another sponsor. More $ from the coin flip!

**tigershoops31** · 11-30-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by dualthreat

Well, they would have just told Iowa State they weren't good enough to be in the championship game because we are Iowa State.....

........

By the way, Mack Brown is a class act in all regards

Agree 100% there...I have the utmost respect for him as a coach and a man, I just think he's coming off sounding a little crazy with all the talk about how "the big 12 needs to use head to head as their tie breaker" and wish somebody would either explain it to him or help him better word what he is trying to say because to me it comes off like he doesn't understand the tiebreaker system we have in place...

**theshadow** · 11-30-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

Change that last one to "Crayola's Tic Tac Throwdown" and you can add another sponsor. More $ from the coin flip!

Tic Tac Dough. Whoever picks the dragon loses. Then compare head-to-head for the remaining two teams.

**CycloneErik** · 11-30-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by theshadow

Tic Tac Dough. Whoever picks the dragon loses. Then compare head-to-head for the remaining two teams.

The one that picks the dragon calls it "Tic Tac......D'oh!!!!!!"

**06_CY** · 11-30-2008, 08:29 PM

What about a few rounds of Press Your Luck?

**isucy86** · 11-30-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

... I think Texas would be a more dependable rep.

I'm not sure how you can say Texas would be a better representative this year. They have no run game. IMO, give a good coach a month to prepare for Texas- the Longhorns are going to struggle.

This basically can down to who coaches/media/computers:) thought was playing best at the end of the season. It would be hard to argue that any team in the country is playing better than the Sooners over the last 4-5 games. Add to the Sooner arguement that they blew out a TT team that beat the Longhorns and OU beat a solid OSU team by 20pts and the Longhorns struggled to beat by 4 pts.

UT's arguement comes down to they beat the Sooners and barring a miraculous comeback by TT, they would be undefeated season.

It will never happen, but I wish the Big 12 would copy what the Pac 10 does. When the NCAA allowed a 12 game schedule, the Pac 10 made the extra game a conference game. I'd rather see ISU play 9 Big 12 games & 3 non-conference games each year.

**illinoiscyclone** · 11-30-2008, 08:50 PM

mike leach suggested that graduation rates/ GPA get looked at. i think this is a good idea, because it would be a real reward for all around hard work. of course, leach proposed this because his team is head and shoulders above the others.

**Psyclone** · 11-30-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by d4nim4l

I'm not so much a fan of the point differential. Whether it involves common opponents inside the division or out. If any of you were paying attention last night Musberger gave his take on what it should be and it was point differential versus five divisional opponents and Kansas. Oklahoma was already up and still beat OSU by 20.

That said, then you do get in to a situation where teams have to run up the score to have a chance. Instead, I like the SEC's system. Take the BCS rankings, disqualify the lowest team (Texas Tech) in this case. And then use the head to head to figure out who advances to the Big XII Championship. In this case, it would have been Texas.

The issue I have with point differential is that teams but on defense with a controlled offense would be at a disadvantage. A 20-0 game where the defense dominates the other team is a blowout. But the OU-OSU game was a shootout that was a little move evenly matched than the 20 point win would indicate.

**tigershoops31** · 12-01-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by illinoiscyclone

mike leach suggested that graduation rates/ GPA get looked at. i think this is a good idea, because it would be a real reward for all around hard work. of course, leach proposed this because his team is head and shoulders above the others.

Haha and Stoops probably plans to propose that they should just go alphabetical order on it too

No matter what somebody is going to have a beef with it when they're left out in the cold...it's hard to come up with something there that will please everybody when we have a situation like this one...

**theshadow** · 12-01-2008, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by isucy86

It will never happen, but I wish the Big 12 would copy what the Pac 10 does. When the NCAA allowed a 12 game schedule, the Pac 10 made the extra game a conference game. I'd rather see ISU play 9 Big 12 games & 3 non-conference games each year.

That move enabled the Pac-10 to have a full round robin in the league, thereby determining a real champ.

All it would do in the Big 12 is change the division rotation to a 6-year setup instead of a 4-year setup:
Years 1-2: A, B, C, D
Years 3-4: E, F, A, B
Years 5-6: C, D, E, F

Additionally, the home/road balance (4 of each) would be eliminated.

Iowa State and Missouri are the only Big 12 teams that have an annual BCS conference rivalry (Iowa and Illinois, respectively), so you can bet that those two schools would schedule two enormous patsies to fill out the non-league slate. Say hello to a schedule that has a I-AA team and a Sun Belt team.

Plus, in order to have 7 home games on a perennial basis, ISU would never be able to play a non-conference road game besides Iowa:
Rotation A: 5 league home games, 4 road; at Iowa; 2 non-conf home
Rotation B: 4 league home games, 5 road; Iowa; 2 non-conf home

That means no intersectional home-and-home against a Mississippi State or North Carolina State.