Ready to Eat a Little Crow...

**Clone_12** · 02-09-2009, 05:06 PM

I've ripped on Frank Martin about as much as anyone...but I'll say this for the guy, his teams play hard....and he holds players accountable for their careless mistakes...I'm not ready to declare the guy John Wooden quite yet, but I don't think Kansas State had any business going into Austin or College Station or coming home with a win...and to Martin's credit, he had his guys ready to go.

Btw, I'm still not congratulating him for last year going to the NCAA tourney...any coach in the country could've won with Beasley and Walker on their team...but he's doing a heck of a lot better than I thought he would.

**Tornado man** · 02-09-2009, 05:07 PM

You're right - he gets them to play hard. I wish we played with their intensity.

**Cydkar** · 02-09-2009, 05:09 PM

Me to. I thought he was a complete fraud.

**Drive4cy** · 02-09-2009, 05:11 PM

He's never come across to me as a terrible coach anytime I've watched K-State play the last two years. I think he does a nice job. People make fun of him for whatever reason, but it's pretty pathetic if you ask me. K-State is a tough job and they continue to win and win tough games.

I guess if you can't beat him, make fun of him. (Frank Martin's appearance, Mark Mangino, etc)

**nickwc** · 02-09-2009, 05:24 PM

and wayne morgan won in austin and in kansas, but yet pple consider him a fraud. just goes to show, its not always about x and o gotta have the horses to compete

**52ynnel** · 02-09-2009, 05:25 PM

Agreed. How much would we like to trade places with KSU fans right now. Never thought I'd say that.

**Clone_12** · 02-09-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by nickwc

and wayne morgan won in austin and in kansas, but yet pple consider him a fraud. just goes to show, its not always about x and o gotta have the horses to compete

Morgan had the horses to compete...Martin does not this season...at least not to go into Austin and win.

**BryceC** · 02-09-2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Clone_12

Morgan had the horses to compete...Martin does not this season...at least not to go into Austin and win.

UT is really overrated this year.

**ajk4st8** · 02-09-2009, 05:54 PM

While UT is vastly overrated, KSU is playing pretty well right now.

Their stadium has had nice crowds and is a lot closer to what Hilton used to be. They play hard defense and have put in some nice scorers with their group of athletes.

**Clone_12** · 02-09-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

UT is really overrated this year.

They've disappointed in Big 12 play this year...but Abrams, Mason, Pittman, James, and Gary Johnson would all be our 2nd best player...and we would love to have Balbay and Atchley too...they are certainly much, much more talented than Kansas State.

**ajk4st8** · 02-09-2009, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Clone_12

They've disappointed in Big 12 play this year...but Abrams, Mason, Pittman, James, and Gary Johnson would all be our 2nd best player...and we would love to have Balbay and Atchley too...they are certainly much, much more talented than Kansas State.

they may have some talent but there is no doubting the fact that they haven't done well all year. We almost won on their home floor.

**j4state** · 02-09-2009, 06:17 PM

Agreed. The list of B12 coaches I would not trade GMac for went from 2 to 1 in recent weeks (Knight).

**CYKOFAN** · 02-09-2009, 06:33 PM

Morgan had pretty good talent, especially his first two years, but he beat teams ranked a lot higher than Martin has this year.

**Steve** · 02-09-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Clone_12

Morgan had the horses to compete...Martin does not this season...at least not to go into Austin and win.

If you look at the class that he has signed for next year, lack of talent may no longer be a problem. 5 star C plus a 4 star & 2 3 stars. He also has a 4 star still playing from the Beasley class.

**cstrunk** · 02-09-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

Their stadium has had nice crowds and is a lot closer to what Hilton used to be. They play hard defense and have put in some nice scorers with their group of athletes.

Agreed. I went to our game in Manhattan last year, and came away pretty impressed with the atmosphere.