Death of the Big 12 - article

[acgclone]

After reading this article, I feel much better. This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Sure, he talks a lot, but his scenarios aren't viable, except for Missouri. Nebraska and Texas aren't going anywhere. The Big Ten has no reason to get into that fight when the Big East is ripe for the picking and the TV market they want.

The Big 12 will snatch up more teams, and it won't be TCU, another area where he loses credibility. They can just start picking up other schools from the east or the west. I just don't see it as likely.

Keep in mind that Nebraska will act in it's own self interest. You're foolish if you discount the $$ that the Big Ten would bring to them. Also, if any teams see the writing on the wall that we're going to lose 2-3 teams, it will spur them to talk to other conferences.

I think Colorado could easily go to the Pac 10 too. If Mizzou and Colorado left, who would we replace them with? Maybe Louisville and Cincinnati? I'm not sure if that would solve our ultimate problem, which is a lack of TV sets.

The only thing I can think of that would save the conference is if we can work a Pac 10/Big 12 TV network????

Either way, it's scary. It would probably affect the FB program far more than BBall. I think you can excel as a program even in a lower tier conference in Bball. Not so much in football.

[BooneCy]

Boone - did you read Deace's post regarding what some guy named Feldman from ESPN said? Does he have no credibility either?

Yeah, I saw it. I understand the incentive for Nebraska, but it's not like Nebraska isn't getting money and love from the Big 12. The Big 12 might let Missouri walk, but they won't make it easy for Nebraska.

You guys act like the Big 10 can just walk in and make it so.

[Frak]

Like it or not, a North school being poached by the Big 10 would be a major blow to the conference. Like the author said, at the least it would trigger a North/South division adjustment, because there just are no schools we could add to the North.

We could add BYU and Louisville to the North and not miss too much of a beat. I just wish that the people at UT and OU could see how stupid they are for not sharing revenues. Just flat out greedy.

Also, I wish Beebe would get off his ***** and do something other than waiting around for other conferences to pick us apart. He should be beating those conferences to the punch.

[BooneCy]

Keep in mind that Nebraska will act in it's own self interest. You're foolish if you discount the $$ that the Big Ten would bring to them. Also, if any teams see the writing on the wall that we're going to lose 2-3 teams, it will spur them to talk to other conferences.

I think Colorado could easily go to the Pac 10 too. If Mizzou and Colorado left, who would we replace them with? Maybe Louisville and Cincinnati? I'm not sure if that would solve our ultimate problem, which is a lack of TV sets.

The only thing I can think of that would save the conference is if we can work a Pac 10/Big 12 TV network????

Either way, it's scary. It would probably affect the FB program far more than BBall. I think you can excel as a program even in a lower tier conference in Bball. Not so much in football.

I understand what you are saying, but you act like the Big 12 is going to watch the teams just walk away. As I said above, they might let Missouri go, but they aren't going to let everyone just walk away. The Big 10 isn't going to want the fight of peeling multiple teams away from the Big 12 when the Big East is practically crumbling.

[TxCycloneFan]

We could add BYU and Louisville to the North and not miss too much of a beat. I just wish that the people at UT and OU could see how stupid they are for not sharing revenues. Just flat out greedy.

Also, I wish Beebe would get off his ***** and do something other than waiting around for other conferences to pick us apart. He should be beating those conferences to the punch.

Beebe proactive? Man you crack me up.

[Al_4_State]

I just fail to understand why Texas would join the Pac-10. They have a worse TV deal than the Big 12, and they're sharing the limelight with USC. I just don't get it. I also don't get why Don Beebe wants to lose his job so badly.

If Missouri and Nebraska leave, just add 2 teams. Big deal.

[acgclone]

I just fail to understand why Texas would join the Pac-10. They have a worse TV deal than the Big 12, and they're sharing the limelight with USC. I just don't get it. I also don't get why Don Beebe wants to lose his job so badly.

If Missouri and Nebraska leave, just add 2 teams. Big deal.

Without Mizzou and Nebby, the Big 12 North is dead weight. The future TV contract without those schools would be significantly less than if OU/UT/A&M/CU joined with the Pac 10.

If you had Cali and the entire West Coast, along with Colorado, Utah, Texas and Oklahoma, it would mean much more money for UT (and the others) than if they just replaced Nebby/Mizzou with two more schools.

[Al_4_State]

I get sick to my stomach every time I read some article about the death of the Big 12, and where that leaves us. It's going to crush me the day I hear ISU is no longer in a BCS conference. This whole part of my life will just die.

There will be serious ramafications for the entire University if we can't stay in some kind of major conference. We HAVE to stay in the same boat as KSU, KU, OSU, Tech, etc.

[Prone2Clone]

Forget the hiring and fundraising issues...if realignment happens, this will be Pollard's biggest challenge and time to pull a very large rabbit out of his hat. I have faith that he will not roll over and do everything he can to keep us in a major conference.

[bobbomo]

Would ISU move to the MVC?

I love how Deace is our Iowa State representative on the Deace and Miller show, yet has a user on HN, but not here.

@kg-cyclone : or worse yet, if Big Televen added ND & 2 B12 schools... would we be Big 10?! Rather they take 4 schools so we're back to Big 8.

@BooneCy : The username SteveDeace is on both CF & HN. He rarely posts on message boards though.

[MissouriFan]

Yeah, I saw it. I understand the incentive for Nebraska, but it's not like Nebraska isn't getting money and love from the Big 12. The Big 12 might let Missouri walk, but they won't make it easy for Nebraska.

You guys act like the Big 10 can just walk in and make it so.

If Missouri, Nebraska, or any other school decides to leave and gives proper notice there is nothing the Big 12 can do about it.

Here is the Big 12 bylaw on leaving the league

"Each Member Institution agrees that in the event such Member desires to withdraw from the Conference, that it will in good faith give Notice not less than two (2) years before the end of the Current Term or any Additional Term, as the case may be. No Member Institution shall be entitled to distribution of the then-current revenues from the Conference after the effective date of its withdrawal, resignation, or the cessation of its participation in the Conference (the “Effective Date”).

3.2 Effect of Giving Notice. If a Member Institution gives proper Notice pursuant to Section 3.1 (a “Withdrawing Member”), then the Members agree that such withdrawal would cause financial hardship to the remaining Member Institutions of the Conference, and that the financial consequences cannot be measured or estimated with certainty at this time. Therefore, in recognition of the obligations and responsibilities of each Member Institution to all other Member Institutions of the Conference, each Member Institution agrees that the amount of revenue that would have been otherwise distributable to a Withdrawing Member 14 pursuant to Section 2 herein for the final two (2) years of the Current Term or the then current Additional Term, as the case may be, shall be reduced by fifty percent (50%), with the remainder to be distributed to the other Member Institutions who are not Withdrawing Members or Breaching Members (as defined below) as additional Conference revenues in accordance with Section 2 herein. The Member Institutions agree that such reduction in the amount of revenues distributed to a Withdrawing Member is reasonable and shall be in the form of liquidated damages and not be construed as a penalty."

[Al_4_State]

Forget the hiring and fundraising issues...if realignment happens, this will be Pollard's biggest challenge and time to pull a very large rabbit out of his hat. I have faith that he will not roll over and do everything he can to keep us in a major conference.

The thing is, if the Big 12 disintegrates, and Texas goes with the Pac 10, there will be quite a few adrift larger schools. The Big East is dead to rights, and I don't see why you couldn't get the remaining Big 12 and Big East teams together into an AQ conference. There would be a good mix of large markets.

I'd like to think Pollard is talking to guys at KSU, OSU, Tech, Baylor, Lousiville, wherever.

[LutherClone]

What if the Big East loses a team, the Big 12 loses NU and MU, and @ least Colorado bolts for the Pac 10? Could we see some non regional conferences? As in would ISU maybe look at joining the Big East if the Big 12 falls apart? I know it would be far from ideal, but far better than a mid major conference. SLU is in the A-10 and its not great but could we possibly be the western peg of a new look Big East?

[Al_4_State]

What if the Big East loses a team, the Big 12 loses NU and MU, and @ least Colorado bolts for the Pac 10? Could we see some non regional conferences? As in would ISU maybe look at joining the Big East if the Big 12 falls apart? I know it would be far from ideal, but far better than a mid major conference. SLU is in the A-10 and its not great but could we possibly be the western peg of a new look Big East?

I'm all for it.

Either that or some hybrid Big 12/MWC that has AQ status. Sounds like the Pac-10 isn't as worried about getting to 16, they just want a championship game.

[MissouriFan]

If they are correct about the Big Ten going to the 16 team super conference with four divisions and taking Missouri and Nebraska this is one way I could see the Big 12 coming apart.

The Pac 10 would follow the Big Ten's example and expand to 16 and create a network of its own.

They add Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. That creates 4 clean divisions.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

California, UCLA, USC, and Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah

Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M

They could easily form their own profitable network from that. They would have an impressive collection of markets with L.A., San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Kansas City.


The rest of the Big 12 schools would join with the remaining eight Mountain west teams as well as Fresno Sstate, Boise State, and Houston.

The Mountain West already has a TV network so they would be able to use all these new markets to expand.

The new MTW would be Air Force, Baylor, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, TCU, Texas Tech, UNLV, and Wyoming.

Four Divisions
Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and UNLV

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico and Wyoming

Baylor, Houston, TCU, and Texas Tech

Air Force, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State