Death of the Big 12 - article

[LutherClone]

If they are correct about the Big Ten going to the 16 team super conference with four divisions and taking Missouri and Nebraska this is one way I could see the Big 12 coming apart.

The Pac 10 would follow the Big Ten's example and expand to 16 and create a network of its own.

They add Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. That creates 4 clean divisions.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

California, UCLA, USC, and Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah

Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M

They could easily form their own profitable network from that. They would have an impressive collection of markets with L.A., San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Kansas City.


The rest of the Big 12 schools would join with the remaining eight Mountain west teams as well as Fresno Sstate, Boise State, and Houston.

The Mountain West already has a TV network so they would be able to use all these new markets to expand.

The new MTW would be Air Force, Baylor, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, TCU, Texas Tech, UNLV, and Wyoming.

Four Divisions
Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and UNLV

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico and Wyoming

Baylor, Houston, TCU, and Texas Tech

Air Force, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State

Assuming that, it leaves three from the Big East to be squandered. What would the Big East schools do? At this point, Notre Dame has said that it would be forced to join a conference. I could see the Big East member Cincy, UCONN, Louisville, USF, and West Va (assuming that Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt bolt for the Big Ten).


At this point Notre Dame would see the puzzle pieces falling and be forced to act. What I could see happening is a conference formed of UCONN, Cincy, Louisville, ND, Iowa State, K- State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, West Virginia, South Florida, and probably two mid major teams (Houston and SMU??). USF and West Va could possibly bolt for the SEC (they've said they're making contigency plans in case they need to expand) or more likely the ACC.

While I certainly don't think that the prior scenario would pan out in the apocolypse now scenario aforementioned it'd be fun to think about. If you throw in the non football power of this conference it'd be something!

Football wise:

Conference North:
UCONN
Cincy
Louisville
West Va
Iowa State
Notre Dame

Conference South
OK State
K State
Baylor
USF
Houston
SMU

The more I look at this, the more odd man out USF becomes and I could see West Va and USF bolt and Memphis and maybe Air Force replace them. I could also see the six non football schools breaking off and forming their own basketball conference by crushing A10 and CUSA up...

Totally doubtful, but fun to make up!

[isuno1fan]

Big 10/11 won't go to 16.

[snowcraig2.0]

If the big ten goes to 16 I believe we have a good shot. Also, mizzou would be the worst school academically in the big ten. They won't be added.

[acgclone]

The possibilities are endless and all outcomes will be affected by the various choices that schools/conferences make. I'm going to try not to worry too much until B12 schools start peeling off.

For all we know, this is just smoke to get ND to join and the Big Ten stays at 12. In which case we'd be fine because then it would just possibly be Colorado to leave and they would be very replacable.

[acgclone]

If the big ten goes to 16 I believe we have a good shot. Also, mizzou would be the worst school academically in the big ten. They won't be added.

They would have to expand to 24 before we would be a serious candidate. Seriously, what do we bring them that they don't already have with Iowa? If you compare what we bring versus Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers, Notre Dame (if they go to 16, ND will be forced to join), Uconn, Pitt, we just don't add much, IMO.

[LindenCy]

Just a question...does the Walden University banner ad on the side feature "Cindy" the flight attendant from LOST?

[snowcraig2.0]

They would have to expand to 24 before we would be a serious candidate. Seriously, what do we bring them that they don't already have with Iowa? If you compare what we bring versus Mizzou, Nebraska, Rutgers, Notre Dame (if they go to 16, ND will be forced to join), Uconn, Pitt, we just don't add much, IMO.

We bring a solid research university, strong academics, natural geographic rivalries, a strong traveling fanbase, top 30 directors cup, and convenience.

Admittedly, are we a lock? NO. Are we a prime candidate? NO. Do we have a shot? Absolutely.

And what does Pitt bring that they don't have already with Penn State?

[Al_4_State]

We bring a solid research university, strong academics, natural geographic rivalries, a strong traveling fanbase, top 30 directors cup, and convenience.

Admittedly, are we a lock? NO. Are we a prime candidate? NO. Do we have a shot? Absolutely.

And what does Pitt bring that they don't have already with Penn State?

It's in a higher population area with Top 25 programs in both MBB and FB.

[benjay]

We bring a solid research university, strong academics, natural geographic rivalries, a strong traveling fanbase, top 30 directors cup, and convenience.

Admittedly, are we a lock? NO. Are we a prime candidate? NO. Do we have a shot? Absolutely.

And what does Pitt bring that they don't have already with Penn State?

We're a great fit, maybe the 2nd best after Notre Dame, right up until you look at money. Unfortunately, this is all about money.

[superman_101680]

We're a great fit, maybe the 2nd best after Notre Dame, right up until you look at money. Unfortunately, this is all about money.

Since I've worked at both schools, I'll disagree. It's more than just money.

[cyowa]

I get sick to my stomach every time I read some article about the death of the Big 12, and where that leaves us. It's going to crush me the day I hear ISU is no longer in a BCS conference. This whole part of my life will just die.

There will be serious ramafications for the entire University if we can't stay in some kind of major conference. We HAVE to stay in the same boat as KSU, KU, OSU, Tech, etc.

"This whole part of my life will just die." I think you better start looking for a sports hospice.

[Palmer]

when do we find out? when does the hammer fall?

[CyForPresident]

One thing a friend of mine pointed out was that if Mizzou and NU went to the B10, the legislature and Governor might get involved to include ISU. To have ISU out on its own island like that would be a death sentence (all 5 BCS teams in neighboring states in the B10 along with Iowa). And there is some precedence for that too, with VT in the ACC and Baylor in the B12. And even limited pressure in the 1970's to restart the ISU-Iowa rivalry.

No matter what happens, ISU can not be left out on an island. It would be the end of ISU as we know it.

Edit: Never mind, there is already a thread about this. Stupid PBR.

[acgclone]

One thing a friend of mine pointed out was that if Mizzou and NU went to the B10, the legislature and Governor might get involved to include ISU. To have ISU out on its own island like that would be a death sentence (all 5 BCS teams in neighboring states in the B10 along with Iowa). And there is some precedence for that too, with VT in the ACC and Baylor in the B12. And even limited pressure in the 1970's to restart the ISU-Iowa rivalry.

No matter what happens, ISU can not be left out on an island. It would be the end of ISU as we know it.

Edit: Never mind, there is already a thread about this. Stupid PBR.

Apples and Oranges with the Baylor/VaTech situations. The legislatures got involved to keep in-state schools together. I can guarantee you that the NE/MO state legislatures have much bigger issues than worrying about ISU. Also, the Big Ten holds all of the cards in this negotiation.

[Palmer]

Beebe should rot in helz.