Death of the Big 12 - article

**trajanJ** · 04-30-2010, 10:56 AM

It looks more and more like the Big 12 is going to lose some schools to the Pac 10 and Big 10. The key for the Big 12 will be keeping Texas. I know most of you Cylcone fans and us Jayhawk fans don't like Texas, but we have got to be able to keep them in our conference. If they leave, this conference will instantly be a lower tier conference and most likely the remaining teams will be trying to join other conferences. If they stay, most of the other schools will probably stay and we could replace the Mizzou's and Colorado's of the world. Plus we would still have Texas high schools to recruit from.

**aeroclone** · 04-30-2010, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by twistedredbird

I think the Mizzou AD is being mums the word right now because of multiple reasons. As always, Missouri is a a swing state where everyone is 50/50 on issues. There are some powerful alumni and huge donors that would be livid at losing regular rivalry match-ups with Kansas, and then you have the governor being a selfish dumba** saying Mizzou should go if asked simply because of financial pressures.

On another front, many people in Missouri are still upset about the Big 12 moving the headquarters to Dallas from Kansas City. But at the time, it was "done to balance out that the bball championships are held in Kansas City." Then, the rotation of sites went into effect. Big 12 is very important to the state, and is one of the main reasons KC got public support for the Sprint Center. Then the hot talk on sports radio in Missouri, beyond the Chiefs, is about the J Jones taking over the Big 12 championship game instead of the rotation. J Jones and Dallas is not popular in Missouri, at all.

Gee how in the world did the Big 8 ever exist without Texas.

The big $$$ TV contracts weren't as huge of an issue then. There is no turning back now. A bunch of schools from Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma just could not exist today as a BCS conference.

**statsaholic** · 04-30-2010, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by aeroclone

The big $$$ TV contracts weren't as huge of an issue then. There is no turning back now. A bunch of schools from Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma just could not exist today as a BCS conference.

And for those with some sports purity flowing in their veins, the obscene amounts of money and the trickle down influence of professional sport has changed college athletics. If that is good or bad depends on your personal tastes and of course the specific situation. For me there are more downsides, but I realize reality and am not stuck in a box.

That said.. maybe we should change the BCS to the money bowl series, and only have predetermined participation each year from Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alabama, USC(--wait maybe someone else with Carroll gone), and Florida each year. (sorry Penn State- coach too old; sorry iowa, you really arent in the elites; sorry LSU - you dont count anyway; sorry Auburn for multiple obvious reasons...) The rest of the schools can play NCAA intramurals.

But wait.. that would be a national championship playoff.. cant have that.

**TarHeelHawk** · 04-30-2010, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

A lot of the d-bag Iowa FANS would like for ISU to fall to non-BCS status.

The sane Iowa fans, the Iowa AD (because the ISU games are no longer "quality" games, although they'd still be forced to play them), and the University itself wouldn't want that to happen.

From the standpoint of having a relatively easy and inexpensive home and home series, I don't think either school would want the series to end.

**Ace000087** · 04-30-2010, 12:50 PM

From the standpoint of having a relatively easy and inexpensive home and home series, I don't think either school would want the series to end.

The series wouldn't end if Iowa State got in the Big10.

IF that did happen, think of the non-conference possibilities for each school.

**everyyard** · 04-30-2010, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

We're a great fit, maybe the 2nd best after Notre Dame, right up until you look at money. Unfortunately, this is all about money.

Actually I think this is true. If money and TV sets weren't being considered we may actually be the BEST fit with Iowa already here. How many other states have BCS rival schools in different conferences...not too many. But, when the chips fell back in the day of conference formation Iowa got the better hand dealt to them. This move is MOSTLY about TV and media markets and is being driven by the BigTen network as much as from the BigTen itself. We will lose this battle, even if they take 5 teams...which they won't. Personally I think it is all a rouse to get ND.

**TarHeelHawk** · 04-30-2010, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ace000087

The series wouldn't end if Iowa State got in the Big10.

IF that did happen, think of the non-conference possibilities for each school.

Wouldn't that be the case either way? If the doomsday scenario happens and and ISU gets sent to a non-BCS conference, Iowa will have to find another BCS school to play in the non-conference.

**Landshark** · 04-30-2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by MissouriFan

If they are correct about the Big Ten going to the 16 team super conference with four divisions and taking Missouri and Nebraska this is one way I could see the Big 12 coming apart.

The Pac 10 would follow the Big Ten's example and expand to 16 and create a network of its own.

They add Colorado, Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M. That creates 4 clean divisions.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

California, UCLA, USC, and Stanford

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah

Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M

They could easily form their own profitable network from that. They would have an impressive collection of markets with L.A., San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Kansas City.

The rest of the Big 12 schools would join with the remaining eight Mountain west teams as well as Fresno Sstate, Boise State, and Houston.

The Mountain West already has a TV network so they would be able to use all these new markets to expand.

The new MTW would be Air Force, Baylor, Boise State, BYU, Colorado State, Fresno State, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, New Mexico, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, TCU, Texas Tech, UNLV, and Wyoming.

Four Divisions
Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and UNLV

BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico and Wyoming

Baylor, Houston, TCU, and Texas Tech

Air Force, Iowa State, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State

Very, very interesting....that would be a fun conference and wouldn't bother me a bit.