Music Boy, my post was directed at oldgeezer as I said in my post. I have no problem with your opinion or your post, you didn't make any personal attacks.
Everybody points out that WM won a NCAA game, but nobody points out the winning streak they had to put on just to get to the tournament. Didn't we have to win like 11 of 13(not certain about that) just to have a shot to get into the tourny, while UNI was a lock like 2 weeks before hand? Citing WM's one NCAA tourny win as a reason to keep him is ridiculus, besides he won that against a big 10 team.
nsv: Yes, this is true. But Sendek got tired of the fans and media ripping him all the time and took his wares elsewhere. Getting sick of the BS and deciding to leave is kinda the equivalent to me.
He went to the tournament 5 straight years and had 5 wins and they weren't happy about it. These things happen.
Leaving on your own is a lot different than getting fired, and he had been there at least 5 years. I'm still waiting for somebody to give me some names of coaches who have been fired after only 3 years unless there had been some NCAA violations, personal scandal, players getting in trouble, etc. If there were any, did they get fired after having 3 winning seasons and a 4-2 post season record, and accomplishing that at a program coming off a nationally known scandal like the LE situation? The point is, 3 years isn't long enough to allow a coach to get in all of his recruits and fully establish his program, and not long enough to get a good read on how successful a coach might be. That's why it is so extremely rare to see a coach fired after only 3 years. Sure fans can debate if the firing was justified, but it's hard to argue that a coach getting canned after only 3 years isn't highly unusual.
Sendek was run out of town, and if you don't think so read the umpteen articles written on the subject. Seton Hall's coach then, got fired after going to the NCAA's this year. He's a better example than Sendek.
And CYKO, I have never said the firing wasn't unusual. It was highly unusual, and I also personally feel that coaches SHOULD get 5 years to establish a program with their guys and I think a coach needs that long to get acclimated to a position.
These are unusual times for ISU basketball and sports in general. I know it was only three years, but having a coach get fired by a new AD isn't uncommon at all. Was Jamie jumping the gun? Perhaps, but it's not in our hands to decide. And don't prop up the 4-2 postseason record when three of those wins came in the NIT. They were good wins and I was happy to see them, but let's get real. Nobody gives a crap about the NIT. He was 1-1 where it mattered.
I've never said that the circumstances weren't bizarre or that I didn't still wish Wayne were here. I loved Wayne. I just think the ASSUMPTION that there are racist undertones to this thing is insulting. You could find undertones in anything. Heck, why not just go out there and say I'm racist because I support the administration in what has transpired. I didn't like it at the time, and I'm still not comfortable with it. They fired a black guy and hired a white guy (who barely eeked out a job over another black guy), I support this decision, so thereby I must have some subtile racism effecting my consciousness.
I hope that sounds as obviously ridiculous as I meant it to. That is how inane what your saying sounds to me.
Herb Sendek was fired from NC State this year after getting 22 wins, and going 10-6.
Sendeck was never fired. Arizona State gave Sendeck a bunch of money to coach their team. Sendeck left NC-State. NC-State never fired Sendeck.
I live in Raleigh and your right Sendek wasn't fired but believe me when I tell you Herb was run out of town. His fate was sealed after they lost to UNC for the 2nd time this year, the big money supporters wanted nothing else to do with him and to save face for everyone involved Herb moved on. But Karma is a mother as now they can't find anyone to coach their team, Herb is well liked and respected in the coaching circles and no one liked the way he was treated. And who would want the position anyway, if they ran a guy who went to the NCAA 5 years in a row, what are they going to do with the next one?
Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.
Well stated, Bryce, and I respect your opinions. I've never said racism was definitely involved in Morgan's firing, I said I suspected it could have been a factor in a subtle way, as racism often is. From what I had heard and from what has become public knowledge I'm fairly confident that Pollard knew early on that Morgan wasn't wanted by the powers that be in Cyclone basketball. It was obvious when he was hired that he wasn't wanted as he got the job by default when we struck out on our first two choices. To Morgans credit he kept the recruits coming and led us out of the worst scandal in our hoops history with a couple of pretty good seasons, and a mediocre one. Am I grateful for what he did? Absolutely and I think you are too from your post. Do I think he deserved a 4th year (with nearly the whole team back plus his new recruits) to bounce back from this mediocre one? Absolutely, and we may differ on that. Do you really think that G-Mac won't get more than3 years, even if his overall record and post season performance is no better or worse than Morgan's? I can almost guarantee he will, and he should. I just think Morgan deserved the same opportunity to get his program fully established, and 3 years is not enough. I've never said I'm 100% sure about any of this, but I have to ask why Morgan wasn't given the same time to get his program fully established that almost every other basketball coach in America has received. You may not agree with Clarence Hudson, but I'm sure you respect him and have to agree that he has more experience in this area than you or I. You know his opinion on this firing and I don't think it's far fetched that some of us have similar opinions. To me, stating that racism defnitely was not a factor may be just as naive.
No, I respect you as well too CYKO. I hope you didn't get that vibe from me.
And yes, I think Morgan should have gotten another year. I think we were one Jared Homan type player away from a 21 or 22 win regular season. But what's done is done, I just disagree with the assertion that there was racism involved in the decision at any level. Good points, well put. I both understand your stance, and can even see it as a possibility, I just don't think it happened is all. I'm glad you're on the board.
I can see both sides of the issue here. but i have to take the side of racism not being a factor. If it was, then an African American coach wouldnt have been one of the 2 finalist for the job. and Douglas left on his own accord, if i were the AD i would have welcomed him back with open arms. But BD was looking out for the man he thought of as his son, CS, and he didnt want his "son" coaching at iowa. whether or not cael would have accepted an offer, i dont know, but Iowa was going to offer. I, too, was against the WM firing in the begining but looking back on it now, i see what a terrible season we really had and i was looking thru what i now call a cardinal and gold window from afar, being loudly optimistic about the future and about how i thought that we were going to have a late season rally and get in the NCAA. He did not get the job done and if he was white he still would have gotten fired. I understand that it is a possibility and it certainly is a possibility that the firing was racially motivated, but do i believe it? No.
Re: Jamie Pollard hires African-American
Heard the Coach Sendeck interview after his hiring. He basically said he was in a no win situation at NC State with NC/Duke down the road. It was a family move to the Phoenix area, and he has high hopes to build a juggernaut better than Lute Olson has in the Arizona desert. I believe him. He took a better job.
Looking forward to CFH magic for the next bball season, Georges style.