How does it make them dumber?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone#1
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How does it make them dumber?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone#1
Well, I guess that clears that up. I wasn't commenting on liberalism a being a smarter choice, just defending educators, as I see too many people saying that teachers are only there because they can't "do" what their major is, even though it's quite the opposite. Out of all the careers, educators and those in the medical profession are probably under the most scrutiny than other career paths. I'm actually a 5th generation educator in my family, so I tend to find most sayings about teachers some of the most ignorant things that can be said about them. For the most part (professors excluded), educators are not only proficient in their area, but also in the psychology of learning, and learning styles, as well as having the best intentions for their students. Professors were excluded because that depends on the institute they're teaching at. Research institutions value publishing more than student learning, and that leaves students to the wayside.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone#1
I wouldn't call the current system a free market system. Maybe for a private school, but not at public school districts. Can the district raise their prices freely in order to pay for higher salaries?Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclone#1
The reporter from that MSNBC article has been fired..
TV reporter who backed candidate is out - Politics - MSNBC.com
It doesn't...and I never said it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by benjay
My comments all come in response to another poster indicating that educators and journalists are the best educated and most informed among us (read: smarter than the rest of us)...I am just pointing out that this is not correct.
Just because I don't think they are smarter than the rest of us does not mean that I think they are "dumber" than the rest of us.
Interesting that you bring this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloneAggie
It is my understanding that the tax revenue dedicated to public school education has increased at a pace that far exceeds inflation. In fact, all the numbers I have seen indicate that our public school system actually spends more per student than private schools do...with some of the "worst" public school systems actually spending the most money per student. I have read these articles / studies over time and I don't have them "at hand" to refer to...but I believe the point remains.
I live in Louisiana and I would say that nearly 50% of the population sends their kids to private schools here since the public system is notoriously bad. Generally speaking, the educators in the private schools get paid less and have a lesser benefit package than those in the public schools. The educators I know do this (work in the private school for less) becuase they are in the field for the "intrinsic rewards" that you discussed earlier and they find working in an environment where the parents and the students take ownership of their education to be far more rewarding.
In my opinion, the public school system is broken to some degree everywhere (certainly here in LA it is). I think that government (public schools are part of government) is very inefficient and wasteful with the tax money we generously contribute to them and throwing more money (be it teacher pay or otherwise) is not going to fix things. I would like to see a more "free market" system at play with vouchers and privately run schools.
Yes, the public schools in this nation are broken. We need the gov to open up funding so we can have school choice. Public school waste so much $$ it is just sickening, all the while teachers are getting cut and materials are gone. The problem is government is too entrenched in the public schools, and anything the gov gets involved with becomes a bloated wasteful mess.
And then they ask for a 17% tax hike to fund the schools, and turn around and waste all that money. A few years later (this year) we get asked to ok another 17% tax hike....
I have no real objections for turning the school system into more of a free market. I was just stating that the current public school system is far from it, which from the sounds of it most people would agree.
I think everyone freely admits our school system is socialistitc right now. Why not just do the same thing to healthcare and be done with all this free market mumbo jumbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloneAggie
And then maybe our healthcare system can be just as "successful" as our school system.Quote:
Originally Posted by brianhos
The health care system we have is rife with errors. Anyone who considers it a success either doesn't use it regularly or is an idealogue.Quote:
Originally Posted by herbiedoobie
I was in for a week with pneumonia recently and the medicine errors just in my case were mind boggling. I didn't get meds I need, I recvd. double doses of one med I take for a couple days. You want to call the system we currently have a "success" go ahead. But I wonder if you use it regularly.
Don't get me started on the labs, their errors and how they still get paid for making errors.
And doctors and drug companies. I take a med that the doc charges the insurance company $1,500 a dose. He pays the drug maker $1,000 for 10 doses.
Those who approve of the current health care system are making a political/idealogical argument, not a health care argument.
When the government, the media, and production management all say the same thing it's either one-party communism or one-party capitalism. Without a "liberal" press, we may never have known about domestic wire taps, illegal torture, the WMD misinformation, Watergate, government corruption, overseas military operations, corporate crime, public health risks, product safety, etc.. They are a necessary evil in any democracy.