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dinger · 07-05-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Yeah a HS kid that size squatting 500, no frickin way! I would like to see ANY HS kid squat 500 correctly.

i agree with cyclone62, its really not that uncommon, even without conversion charts. ive seen it done correctly more than once. i could do 430 on the bar and i wasnt anywhere close to the biggest guy in my high school

Originally Posted by bostinelosd

And it looks like his desired major is engineering. hmmmm.

alot of guys desire to major in engineering to begin with. few can handle the load of football on top of it and end up changing majors.

Cyclone62 · 07-05-2007, 01:45 PM

alot of guys desire to major in engineering to begin with. few can handle the load of football on top of it and end up changing majors.

Did Scales change majors? Was he in Engineering or Design when he enrolled?

bfross · 07-05-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Yeah a HS kid that size squatting 500, no frickin way! I would like to see ANY HS kid squat 500 correctly.

I second that it is uncommon, but not unheard of. A kid in my HS was the same weight, but a full 4 inches taller than this kid and he could do 500 on squat with little trouble and it was a very controlled squat. But this kid also held a national record at the time in the straight bar deadlift for his age and weight class so he may fall into the minority.

Wesley · 07-05-2007, 02:34 PM

Paul Shirley did mechanical. See where he is now.

besserheimerphat · 07-05-2007, 04:22 PM

Regarding the squat, I'd guess that even in Iowa, each 4A school has one football player who could squat in the neighborhood of 500 pounds in the senior class. Now I doubt there are nearly as many linebackers/fullbacks that could do close to that in high school. I squatted (actaully lifted the weight on the bar, not a conversion table) 450 during the summer between my sophomore and junior year in high school. And, yes, the coaches routinely said that I had the best squat form they'd seen in a long time. I'd guess that it's much harder to squat with bad form assuming you go parallel.

brianhos · 07-05-2007, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by besserheimerphat

Regarding the squat, I'd guess that even in Iowa, each 4A school has one football player who could squat in the neighborhood of 500 pounds in the senior class. Now I doubt there are nearly as many linebackers/fullbacks that could do close to that in high school. I squatted (actaully lifted the weight on the bar, not a conversion table) 450 during the summer between my sophomore and junior year in high school. And, yes, the coaches routinely said that I had the best squat form they'd seen in a long time. I'd guess that it's much harder to squat with bad form assuming you go parallel.

Yeah I would love to see how many of these guys do a full squat meaning parallel or below. Instead of what I usually see, a squat consists of loading a ton of weight on the bar and just unlocking your knees, going down 2 inches and back up. I squat until my butt hits my calves, but I am not even 1/2 way to 500.

isu_bub · 07-05-2007, 04:59 PM

I know my old high school's weight room (Denison, for those keeping score at home) had about a dozen squat "boxes" sitting around the squat areas. These boxes were at various heights and once a week on the normal football lifting program, players were to use the boxes to help with their squatting form. So, an ideal box squat would be the same as any other squat, but you would have a little help in case you were unsteady in form, strength, etc. I saw plenty of guys grab a box that was taller and just sit down on it and sit back up with the weight on their shoulders. Now I'm not accusing Blake Slaughter.com (haha) of doing this, but I've seen it plenty.

dinger · 07-05-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by besserheimerphat

Regarding the squat, I'd guess that even in Iowa, each 4A school has one football player who could squat in the neighborhood of 500 pounds in the senior class. Now I doubt there are nearly as many linebackers/fullbacks that could do close to that in high school. I squatted (actaully lifted the weight on the bar, not a conversion table) 450 during the summer between my sophomore and junior year in high school. And, yes, the coaches routinely said that I had the best squat form they'd seen in a long time. I'd guess that it's much harder to squat with bad form assuming you go parallel.

it would be hard no squat that much WITHOUT good form. your back would let you know the next day. going parallel i could see, but now a days any weight room that is worth a crap has adjustment bars you set to indicate when you reach parallel

dinger · 07-05-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Yeah I would love to see how many of these guys do a full squat meaning parallel or below. Instead of what I usually see, a squat consists of loading a ton of weight on the bar and just unlocking your knees, going down 2 inches and back up. I squat until my butt hits my calves, but I am not even 1/2 way to 500.

you also arent 20 years old and naturally gifted like D1 athletes.

brianhos · 07-05-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by dinger7203

you also arent 20 years old and naturally gifted like D1 athletes.

All too true.

besserheimerphat · 07-05-2007, 10:09 PM

If you squat with bad form, your taking all the stress off your quads, hams, glutes and back and placing it directly on your spine, hip joints and knee joints. I've also seen plenty of the 2", 600 pound squats, as well as the guys who squat down, straighten their legs, then finally raise their shoulders like a mix between a deadlift and a good morning. That's part of the reason that besides coaching JH football, I volunteer in the weightroom in the off season. It takes a lot of work to teach those kids how to do squats, cleans and push presses correctly.

brianhos · 07-05-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by besserheimerphat

If you squat with bad form, your taking all the stress off your quads, hams, glutes and back and placing it directly on your spine, hip joints and knee joints. I've also seen plenty of the 2", 600 pound squats, as well as the guys who squat down, straighten their legs, then finally raise their shoulders like a mix between a deadlift and a good morning. That's part of the reason that besides coaching JH football, I volunteer in the weightroom in the off season. It takes a lot of work to teach those kids how to do squats, cleans and push presses correctly.

Come teach me how to do cleans. That is the one lift I have always wanted to be able to do, but am too scared to try it.

Cleans, standing press, rows, pullups, dips, bench, squat and dead...All the lifts you ever need.

Cyclone62 · 07-05-2007, 10:37 PM

Cleans are fairly simple, actually. It's like a fast dead-lift, and when the bar gets to about chest level, you snap your wrists under the bar. The best way to get into cleans is work from hang cleans to power cleans.

clonefan_80 · 07-05-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone62

Cleans are fairly simple, actually. It's like a fast dead-lift, and when the bar gets to about chest level, you snap your wrists under the bar. The best way to get into cleans is work from hang cleans to power cleans.

I always bend the knees and bend at the waist a little too. Then when I snap my wrists, I explode up and jump off the ground. I don't know if you're supposed to, but it was how I was taught. I'm sure it helps build explosiveness in the legs.