I just found out I'll be spending eternity in hell.
Pope: Other Christians not true churches - Yahoo! News
At first I thought, "Aw it's just one guys opinion", but it turns out the Pope is infallible. Bummer. :sad9cd:
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I just found out I'll be spending eternity in hell.
Pope: Other Christians not true churches - Yahoo! News
At first I thought, "Aw it's just one guys opinion", but it turns out the Pope is infallible. Bummer. :sad9cd:
D*mn it!:oo7dt: Oh well, until he walks on water, cures the blind, turns water into wine, feeds the masses with one loaf of bread, I figure I'm probably ok.
No where does it say Protestants are going to hell.
That being said, it seems pretty arrogant of the church to take this position. However, I'm not a catholic so it's really not my place to tell the church what to do.
This has always been the position of the catholic church I believe.
I'd sure love to know what copy of the Bible the pope is reading. Not one of my nor my wife's versions say anything about the attendance of a Catholic church being the key to salvation. All of ours talk about the belief of the death and resurrection of ****** and the personal acceptance of Him as your Savior. So why isn't he teaching this?
Hoo boy.
Showing this to my girlfriend (who is Catholic) almost convinced her to convert to lutheranism, but I had to talk her out of it, saying it's just the Pope's opinion, and not necessarily a core Catholic belief. :rofl8yi: Oh well, I don't believe that I'm condemned to hell just because some guy in the Vatican says so.
I think the Pope's funny hat is on a bit too tight.
AirWalke, the Pope's opinion (on whatever subject he happens to opine) is core Catholic belief. As for his recent statements, he is simply reiterating what has been the official position of the Catholic Church regarding Protestant churches for centuries now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AirWalke
That's certainly strange, I was under the impression that there was an effort to reunite, or at least mend the wounds between Catholics and Protestants. I know that within the Lutheran church, there's an effort to reintroduce Catholic traditions for use during services in order to close the gap between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by BvK1126
Why can't there just be peace in Christianity. It's hypocritical to lead your life as Jesus would, only to talk down to those lowly Protestants and say that God doesn't acknowledge them...
There are a number of ongoing ecumenical dialogs between Catholics and Protestants (especially Catholics and some of the Lutheran denominations), but these really just serve as good PR more than anything. There are some fundamental theological differences between Catholics and Protestants (including Lutherans) that no amount of similarity in liturgies or other sacramental traditions is going to bridge anytime soon. Without getting too esoteric, I think that is the result of mankind's sinfulness, not God's plan. I believe God recognizes one universal (and invisible) church that includes all true followers of Jesus ******, regardless of denomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by AirWalke
Well, there is that one line in the Nicene Creed that goes "We believe in one holy, catholic, and apostolic church.."
So it is sort of a core Catholic belief that the Catholic Church is the Church, however, I've always known a mission of the Catholic Church to be reuniting all Christians... especially considering all (I think) other Christian denominations originated from the Catholic Church. Being Christian in general is great, but the Catholic Church believes that all of the beliefs that go along with the Church make up the true path.
Sometime you gotta point out a Catholic church that's interested in uniting all denominations. That's a new one by me... Seems like every time I've witnessed a conversation along these lines, the Catholics typically claim that they are the one and only correct way and everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise. Maybe I've had the misfortune of seeing only bad apples, but I've never experienced anything like what you're suggesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyh13
The idea that Catholics think all denominations came from them is a new one on me, too. From a certain standpoint, I suppose it's true, but only in the sense that America "originated" from the United Kingdom and the Ukraine "originated" from the USSR. However, I don't agree with the Vatican's stance on the issue- my beliefs are that the physical practices of Catholicism are wholly unnecessary for my salvation. I don't need to say thirty-seven Hail Marys in order to have my sins forgiven. If Catholics want to, fantastic- that's part of your faith. But it's not part of mine for a reason- we don't think it's needed.
depends on the use of the word catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyh13
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What it still comes down to is God will judge you by what you do with your life. I know some Catholics that would go to hell before most protestants/Jews/Muslims/etc. would.
In the Nicene Creed it's "catholic" with a lower-case c. It's not refering to the Catholic Church. It just means a belief in one universal church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyh13
Edit: Looks like johnsonjj beat me to it.
You're exactly right. Doesn't the Catholic Church as we know it refer to itself, or was formerly the Roman Catholic Church? In that sense, they created that name to reinforce that they were a representation of all the churches in the Roman empire. Somewhere along the line, that distinction was lost when suddenly there was a new kind of church ran by Protestants that threatened their way of doing things.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsonjj
So when the Nicene Creed refers to a catholic church, it refers to all churches, and not the one run in Vatican City.