Did I hear correctly? Larry Eustachy to coach at Barry Stevens Event?

**everyyard** · 07-16-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

Depression is treated w/ drugs just as bi-polar disorder. Alcoholism is treated in a much different way (which believe it or not actually involves the concept of God).

And no one uses drugs to treat alcoholism. (Campral, Antabuse, and Naloxone come to mind)

**BryceC** · 07-16-2007, 02:27 PM

I don't hate Larry, and I'm very thankful for the 2000 and 2001 season. He did win the two 'chips and I'm really thankful for that, and I remember those years really fondly. I'm still not sad to see him gone though, because when he was winning he was great but when we were losing it got really old to see him blowing up on the sideline and getting ****** off because he was constantly running off guys and not recruiting talent good enough to win in the Big 12.

As far as the alcoholism thing goes... I've only been close to two people who I consider to be hardcore alcoholics, as in, getting drunk almost every day for over a decade alcoholics, and they both just stopped. I may sound like a jerk here but I tend to agree with Brian here on this issue just because of my personal experience.

**Knownothing** · 07-16-2007, 02:31 PM

You guys are talking about two different types of disease. One disease you can catch and it's not your fault. You have to live with it. The other disease is one you bring on yourself. The first disease we feel bad for. The second disease is one that noone should feel bad for and you should get over on your own. It's one that if you have kid's you should deal with asap. Not drag them through.

Now that I said that I am a big Larry E. guy.

**cycloneworld** · 07-16-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by ISUChippewa

On a different tack, if in fact LE is coaching in this event, I have to wonder what the average USM fan and his athletic director feel about it. If I was that USM fan or his boss, I would want LE to use his summer to concentrate on recruiting and building up his program as opposed to coaching in a charity game a thousand miles away.

So are you going to get on Greg McDermott for doing the Coaches for Cancer (I think that was the event) and Prairie Meadows with the other coaches from the State of Iowa??

How does taking 1 day for a CHARITY event take away from his coaching/recruiting? All coaches do this.

**cybsball20** · 07-16-2007, 02:36 PM

[QUOTE=Knownothing;154589]You guys are talking about two different types of disease. One disease you can catch and it's not your fault. You have to live with it. The other disease is one you bring on yourself. The first disease we feel bad for. The second disease is one that noone should feel bad for and you should get over on your own. QUOTE]

Most alchoholics don't know they have the disease untill it is too late. You don't just decide to be one and the symptoms aren't cumulitive... I know numerous heavy drinkers that are not alcoholics and I have seen people that just have one or two glasses a wine a day that I would consider alcholics... With Larry it wasn't the nights out partying that made him realize he had the disease, it was the nights in the hotel room, where he had to have at least a 12 pack just to get to sleep.

**ISU_phoria** · 07-16-2007, 02:37 PM

Since everyone else is giving their opinion, here's mine too.

I, too, have a hard time classifying Alcoholism (or other drug addictions) as a "disease". For me, there is a major difference between something like cancer or Alzheimer's disease and Alcoholism.

Alcoholism can be completely avoided by someone simply "choosing" to stop drinking alcohol before it becomes a problem. This to me is where the difference lies.....unfortunately my Grandfather never had an option to stop his progression of Alzheimers before it took his mind.

Please don't get me wrong. I do believe that once a person becomes an Alcoholic, willpower alone isn't enough and medical, emotional, & psychological help are necessary. I believe it has been classified as a disease based upon the treatment needed, not the cause.

I want to make sure that I don't offend anyone who is/was an alcoholic or has been affected somehow by alcoholism. I've seen first hand the effects of alcoholism and I know that it's a serious thing. Those who suffer from it should be shown compassion, kindness, & concern.

Telling someone who is an alcoholic to stop drinking by will power alone show's a lack of knowledge about the problem.

I would like to see Alcoholism classified as something other than a disease, but in a way that reflects the magnitude of it's destructive nature as well as the need for real help for it's sufferers.

**brianhos** · 07-16-2007, 02:46 PM

If we are ok classifying an addiction as a disease. I am going on disability because of this board!

**Incyte** · 07-16-2007, 03:00 PM

[QUOTE=cybsball20;154591]

Originally Posted by Knownothing

With Larry it wasn't the nights out partying that made him realize he had the disease, it was the nights in the hotel room, where he had to have at least a 12 pack just to get to sleep.

I think Larry was a little more willing to admit he had a "disease" after his hand was already caught in the cookie jar. That's what bothers me. People don't fess up to the need for help until they get caught hurting other people. It seems pretty disingenious.

**mwitt** · 07-16-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

That's why we put narcotics users and alcoholics who drink and drive in jail: there's some culpability there despite the addiction.

Probably because alcoholism doesn't mean you can't stop yourself from driving...

**jdoggivjc** · 07-16-2007, 03:04 PM

Kinda reminds me of a line from Denis Leary's "No Cure For Cancer" (paraphrased):

"I'm gonna go on a 3 week ****ing bender. Booze, pot, smack, then go into rehab and say 'Sorry - I ****ed up!!!'"

**everyyard** · 07-16-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Kinda reminds me of a line from Denis Leary's "No Cure For Cancer" (paraphrased):

"I'm gonna go on a 3 week ****ing bender. Booze, pot, smack, then go into rehab and say 'Sorry - I ****ed up!!!'"

Since most people drink and most people who are alcoholics don't start drinking to be alcoholics...and since a lot of alcholics are self treating underlying depression or anxiety or worse psychiatric disorder, and since they are finding genes that predispose someone to addictions, and since alcoholism runs in families even twins raised in different environments I would like to know the evidence that points to it not being a disease.

**SlyCy** · 07-16-2007, 03:29 PM

I think the definition of the term "disease" is confusing when applied in this siutation.

Here is a definition from Wikipedia that might help.

A disease is an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions. In human beings, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes discomfort, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. This article primarily describes human diseases, one of man's greatest enemies.

While many diseases are biological processes with observable alterations of organ function or structure, others primarily involve alterations of behavior.

Classifying a condition as a disease is a social act of valuation, and may change the social status of the person with the condition (the patient). Some conditions (known as culture-bound syndromes) are only recognized as diseases within a particular culture. Sometimes the categorizaton of a condition as a disease is controversial within the culture.

LINK

**Incyte** · 07-16-2007, 03:37 PM

Agree. The question of whether addiction is a "disease" is purely semantics. The real question is the culpability of actions taking while acquiring the addiction and during the addiction.

**mwitt** · 07-16-2007, 03:41 PM

While we're citing Wikipedia....

"Medical definitions describe alcoholism as a disease influenced by genetic, psychological, and social factors any of which may precipitate a persistent difficulty in controlling overall alcohol consumption. More generally, alcoholism may also point to concerns such as a preoccupation with or compulsion toward the consumption of alcohol, and/or an impaired ability to recognize the overall negative effects of excessive alcohol consumption."

Alcoholism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**CYdTracked** · 07-16-2007, 04:20 PM

Say what you want to about Larry but I see a little of both his and Floyd's style of play in McDermott's system. Different personalities obviously but I see a lot of the tough nosed fundamental basketball again that we saw back in those days. If anything I think Wayne Morgan set the program back more than Larry did. We went to a completely different style of ball and brought in guys that lacked fundamentals or had other issues not always related to basketball. And at least when Larry left a lot of his players still stayed while Morgan's all fled as if they were scared to learn how to play something other than streetball.

And I really miss how intense both Larry and Tim got. Wayne hardly left his chair. GMac gets animated and works the refs some too but not nearly with the intensity Larry and Tim did but I'm fine with that. I like Greg and very glad we got him when we did because he could have easily replaced Alford instead had we waited another year.