Illegal Immigration

temperflare · 08-09-2007, 09:28 AM

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The Fed won't secure our borders... and they won't let the states take up compensatory measures. WTF?

Knownothing · 08-09-2007, 09:46 AM

Des Moines should do this.

bostinelosd · 08-09-2007, 10:06 AM

The part that worries me: That there is so much distrust and anger against the illegal ones, that it will raise issues with the legal ones. Some people have the "hate one, hate them all" attitude. Think about it. Some see a minority get arrested for something, and then they mark that race for stereotypes. Tough situation this country is in right now.

Johnny Tremain · 08-09-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by temperflare

Welcome to Small Town Defenders! | Small Town Defenders - Hazleton, Pennsylvania

The Fed won't secure our borders... and they won't let the states take up compensatory measures. WTF?

Of course, a federal judge, U.S. District Judge James Munley, struck down the city of Hazleton's tough crackdown on illegal immigrants, ruling unconstitutional a law that has been emulated by other towns and cities.

The Illegal Immigration Relief Act sought to impose fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and deny business permits to companies that give them jobs. Another measure would have required tenants to register with City Hall and pay for a rental permit.

For an interesting reaction to that court decision, see link: R1ght-W!ng & R!ght M1nd3d: U.S. District Judge James Munley Should Be ***** Slapped. Hard

jdoggivjc · 08-09-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by bostinelosd

The part that worries me: That there is so much distrust and anger against the illegal ones, that it will raise issues with the legal ones. Some people have the "hate one, hate them all" attitude. Think about it. Some see a minority get arrested for something, and then they mark that race for stereotypes. Tough situation this country is in right now.

The only reason why I'll disagree with this statement is because the majority of Americans have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants - it's the illegals they want gone, the ones causing all the problems when they don't have a right to be here in the first place. But I do see your point.

bostinelosd · 08-09-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

The only reason why I'll disagree with this statement is because the majority of Americans have absolutely no problem with legal immigrants - it's the illegals they want gone, the ones causing all the problems when they don't have a right to be here in the first place. But I do see your point.

Well of course. I dont assume a majority feel this way, but there are a scary bunch that do. I have had the unfortunate opportunity to meet quite a few.

cycloneworld · 08-09-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Johnny Tremain

Of course, a federal judge, U.S. District Judge James Munley, struck down the city of Hazleton's tough crackdown on illegal immigrants, ruling unconstitutional a law that has been emulated by other towns and cities.

These judges are the exact reason we can't "just enforce the laws we already have" as recommended by many others. Because we just aren't enforcing them!!

jdoggivjc · 08-09-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by bostinelosd

Well of course. I dont assume a majority feel this way, but there are a scary bunch that do. I have had the unfortunate opportunity to meet quite a few.

Yeah, they're the ones that like to wear the white dunce caps and play with fire

RedStorm · 08-09-2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by bostinelosd

The part that worries me: That there is so much distrust and anger against the illegal ones, that it will raise issues with the legal ones. Some people have the "hate one, hate them all" attitude. Think about it. Some see a minority get arrested for something, and then they mark that race for stereotypes. Tough situation this country is in right now.

Its not a tough situation....if someone is in the country illegally, no matter where they are from they should be arrested, just like I would be if I was caught breaking the law. Employers and property owners who hire and rent should be punished and property siezed, pending the depth of of the crime. This is not about hating people. This is about punishing law breakers that are breaking the law with full knowledge of what the law is. I am sure if I broke into someones house they would want me arrested. When these people "illegally" enter the country......they have broken into our house....

RedStorm · 08-09-2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

These judges are the exact reason we can't "just enforce the laws we already have" as recommended by many others. Because we just aren't enforcing them!!

You are correct....

This judge just did the opposite of what he is supposed to do.....enforce the written law. The constitution is not applicable here. You need to be a citizen of the United States to be covered by the constitution....

cycloneworld · 08-09-2007, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by RedStorm

I am sure if I broke inot someones house they would want me arrested. When these people "illegally" enter the country......they have broken into our house....

Unfortunately the decision makers of the house (our Congress and President) keep leaving the front door unlocked and doing nothing about these people who have broken into our house. In fact, many want us to offer a bedroom to the criminals who have already broken in!

temperflare · 08-09-2007, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

These judges are the exact reason we can't "just enforce the laws we already have" as recommended by many others. Because we just aren't enforcing them!!

Absolutely! It infuriates me that not only with the Fed govt. refuse to uphold their consitutional responsibility to secure our borders, but they use the constitution to prevent cities, counties, and states from doing just that.

bostinelosd · 08-09-2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by RedStorm

Its not a tough situation....if someone is in the country illegally, no matter where they are from they should be arrested, just like I would be if I was caught breaking the law. Employers and property owners who hire and rent should be punished and property siezed, pending the depth of of the crime. This is not about hating people. This is about punishing law breakers that are breaking the law with full knowledge of what the law is. I am sure if I broke into someones house they would want me arrested. When these people "illegally" enter the country......they have broken into our house....

Well you can simplify however you want. But you still have a touchy situation with the legal ones who get offended, rioting, deportation struggles, etc. This is why it is not easy. I agree with you on your points, but you know how things are done here. Everything is a pain with being PC, misinterpreted laws, over-sensitive nonthinking people, and talking with money.

mjlane · 08-09-2007, 11:27 AM

Well, the federal government isn't doing themselves any favors by making it extremely difficult and costly to obtain legal residency and/or citizenship. For some it can be a pretty straightforward process, but for many others there are dozens of legal hoops to jump through. My wife and I had the great fortune of witnessing this firsthand.

Since my wife is a Venezuelan citizen, we applied for her residency immediately after getting married. We went to a resource center in Des Moines, where they gave us all the appropriate forms and explained how to fill them out. They also gave us information on what paperwork I would need to provide. You see, I had to be able to show that I could support bringing someone into the country. So I needed 3 years of income tax records, employment pay history, my birth certificate, and a few other things. Also, for each document we had to file with INS, there was a charge of anywhere from $120 to around $250. Oh, and if you fill out any of the documents incorrectly, they don't tell you when you submit them. You find out months later, then get to do it all over again and pay the fee again as well. Thankfully, this didn't happen to us.

So we filled everything out and gathered all of the necessary paperwork and headed to the INS office in Omaha. You have to appear in person to submit everything, which meant a day off of work for both of us. So that actually went pretty smoothly, except it's a long wait. Anyway, a few months go by and we are contacted to tell us we need to come in for the interview portion, which is routine. They just want to check to make sure everything in on the up and up. So we go for the interview and find out that like 5 years before we were married, my wife's visa was a J-2 status, meaning she is subjected to a 2-year return policy. Basically, she would have to return to Venezuela for 2 years before being allowed residency in the states. We were told there was a way to apply for a waiver to this stipulation, and were given the name of an immigration attorney in Omaha who could handle it.

Well, to make this long story not quite so long, we paid this lawyer $1200 for her services, but ended up doing all of the work ourselves. So, after more than 2 years and several thousand dollars later, my wife is finally a permanent resident of the US. Except that "permanent" only means 10 years to our government. And that was for a couple of college educated, English speaking folks, one of whom is already a US citizen!

Think many uneducated people who can't speak a word of English will go through that just to get a job here? Yeah, me neither.

BillyClone · 08-09-2007, 12:34 PM

It is my opinion that immigration, legal or illegal, will always be an issue that divides people in this country.

Irish, Italians, Chinese, Eastern Europeans, Laotians, Bosnians, and Hispanics have all been accused of increasing crime, taking jobs from Americans, refusing to integrate into American culture, and forcing us away from the English language.