Non on-field thoughts

**Flag Guy** · 08-31-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by brianhos

I am done attending thurs night games. I just hate the lack of tailgaiting, and not getting home till midnight, and then having to get up the next morning. I know some of the people in my row have to drive back to mason city, and then their kids go to school the next day. Thurs night games are just not family friendly.

Let me change that, I am sick of night games. College football is an 11am or 3pm game tradition. Lets go back to that.

I agree, and lets start letting Jamie know that!

**mramseyISU** · 08-31-2007, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by cytheguy

Speaking of family-friendly, it amazes me that anyone would want to bring a child under the age of 5 to a college football game. I understand some people wanting to make the games a family experience, but wait until they're a little older when they can actually enjoy the experience instead of wanting this and wanting that or crying every 5 minutes. For now, hire a babysitter for the little ones under 5.

I don't completely agree with that. I think that if you're sitting in the stands you should leave the little kids at home but The hillside is a different story.

**dmclone** · 08-31-2007, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Flag Guy

I agree, and lets start letting Jamie know that!

When he was driving by on his golf cart at about 3pm I let him know that we love Thursday night games

**wonkadog** · 08-31-2007, 09:44 AM

I have to disagree about getting rid of night games for good. I think every game where we can set the start time in September should always be at 6pm. Those games are usually brutally hot if played at the usual 1pm time. As for Thursdays, I realize some of you are cranky because you lost a little sleep but I say having the student section at full force like it was last night outweighs that argument.

**Lindy** · 08-31-2007, 09:57 AM

I though JTS and the tailgating scene was very family friendly. My 3 and 2 year olds had a great time last night, both in the stadium and in the parking area. I heard no swearing and nobody was rowdy in my section (L). Everybody was very respectful. Because of the late start, we had to leave just after half time to get the kids home to sleep and my boy cried the whole way to the car telling me "but daddy, nobody else is leaving!"

(Disclaimer: I'm a Hawk season ticket holder. I hate the fact that my kids had such a great time in Ames last night.

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**Clonefan94** · 08-31-2007, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by wartknight

-Those of you frustrated tonight probably should be. I'll tell you this-I honestly think we got about the most out of our talent that we have right now. Bass is a playmaker and we tried to use him, but we just don't have the talent all around right now. Hopefully as guys (these guys, this year) become more comfortable with the system, they will start to play faster and with more confidence, but tonight it sure wasn't there.

I agree with you here and I don't. I believe we saw the talent out there that we have. And I don't see our abilities or physical prowess on the field to improve any throughout the season. But, I don't think lack of talent cost us this game. We did not have discipline and we didn't make the right decisions. Way too many penalties. Waaaaaaayyy too many. This has nothing to do with talent. Turnovers. To some extent are talent related, but, the INTs were just bad decision making. This has nothing to do with talent and more to do with just deciding to run, throw it away or even take the sack. A punting situation is better than an INT any day. So, I really don't think out talent level is going to prevent us from winning games. The penalites and turnovers will though.

-I really think Thursday night games need to be done. As exciting and great as it is to have a game mid week, it is TOUGH to get to Ames in time for Kickoff. We actually rolled into Ames at 6:10 and got to the top of the stadium stairs to see the first tackle on the opening kickoff. Didn't do any tailgating whatsoever. Went straight from our parking spot to the gate.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with this 100%. I understand the reasoning behind it, but, it doesn't mean I have to like it. It's a lot of work to make it to the game on a Thursday night. Especially for those of us that live out of town or have to work. I know, I know, take the day off, etc. As much as I love Cyclone football, I'm not willing to lose my job over it. When things are in the office that have to be taken care of today. Scooting out early is not an option and I prefer to take my vacation days to use with my family. Not that a Cyclone game isn't a vacation for me, but, the rest of my household, that's a different story.

I'm sorry, but, it just doesn't make sense in the long run for a Thursday night game. If nothing else, it just doesn't have the atmosphere of a college footaball game. That's what Saturdays are for.

**Flag Guy** · 08-31-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by wonkadog

I have to disagree about getting rid of night games for good. I think every game where we can set the start time in September should always be at 6pm. Those games are usually brutally hot if played at the usual 1pm time. As for Thursdays, I realize some of you are cranky because you lost a little sleep but I say having the student section at full force like it was last night outweighs that argument.

I should specifiy - I don't mind the night games. I don't care for them on Thursday, and I'm even a student (though that is partially a cause of my stress - I have to compete for my seat)

**wonkadog** · 08-31-2007, 10:27 AM

I know that as a student I just got sick of seeing Sammy and Susie Smith jet home on Friday evening to see that 1st high school game of the year back in Manning and not return to school until Monday night (thus missing the football game). I'm not totally one way or the other on this issue but can see why the switch was made. Also, if you don't think the atmosphere was "college football" yesterday in Ames, you must not have had your eyes open :)

**wonkadog** · 08-31-2007, 10:29 AM

Flag Guy, obviously we on this board aren't the ones who would leave if the game was on Saturday, it's the 3000 "indifferents" that are the problem.

**Wx4Cy** · 08-31-2007, 10:32 AM

I'm starting to think there's a reason we don't use Blythe. This is 2 coordinators now who don't throw to him. I don't think he saw a ball in his general direction until the end of the first half. There's something to that. I'm not sure what, but something.

The thing I wonder if how much of this is Blythe to blame for? Is it possible that he just can't get open? Is he a good route runner? Can he get separation? I haven't studied film but the thing I notice is that I've never seen him running down the field uncovered.

Hoiberg was a great shooter but what made him special was his ability to work without the ball and get open...so he could even take the shot.

**dmclone** · 08-31-2007, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Wx4Cy

The thing I wonder if how much of this is Blythe to blame for? Is it possible that he just can't get open? Is he a good route runner? Can he get separation? I haven't studied film but the thing I notice is that I've never seen him running down the field uncovered.

Hoiberg was a great shooter but what made him special was his ability to work without the ball and get open...so he could even take the shot.

It's pretty simple to see who the intended receiver is. That would be the person that Meyer looks at the whole time after he hikes the ball.

**wonkadog** · 08-31-2007, 11:09 AM

You're right on there dmclone; there was one particular play I remember Sumrall running open down the middle, Blythe running open on a crossing route, and Meyer locks in on Hamilton or whoever that is triple-covered. Oh well...

**jbhtexas** · 08-31-2007, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by wonkadog

You're right on there dmclone; there was one particular play I remember Sumrall running open down the middle, Blythe running open on a crossing route, and Meyer locks in on Hamilton or whoever that is triple-covered. Oh well...

Saw that one on CloneZone...for whatever reason, the camera operator was keyed in on the secondary. I see those two guys open (the one down the middle was waving his arms), and then all of a sudden the camera whips back and we see a pass going to a triple-covered guy.

**rd4isu** · 08-31-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Clonefan94

I agree with you here and I don't. I believe we saw the talent out there that we have. And I don't see our abilities or physical prowess on the field to improve any throughout the season. But, I don't think lack of talent cost us this game. We did not have discipline and we didn't make the right decisions. Way too many penalties. Waaaaaaayyy too many. This has nothing to do with talent. Turnovers. To some extent are talent related, but, the INTs were just bad decision making. This has nothing to do with talent and more to do with just deciding to run, throw it away or even take the sack. A punting situation is better than an INT any day. So, I really don't think out talent level is going to prevent us from winning games. The penalites and turnovers will though.

Let me ask you this then. Why can't ISU overcome turnovers or missed field goals? Why can't we overcome holding penalties or false starts?

I totally agree with wartknight in this case. If you objectively compare our team, player by player, to the rest of the Big 12, there's no way you can say lack of talent isn't a problem. Sure, we have one or two above average players on both sides of the ball, but you're kidding yourself if you think we have anything close to Texas, OU, Nebraska, TT or even OSU talent from top to bottom. Even the coach is a complete hack (and I'm not implying ours is by any means) you can win with talent.

I think the key to our future is to build some momentum the next couple of years when our schedule softens and hopefully start seeing more talented players being signed. I have complete confidence in our staff's coaching ability but they have to get some players to make it happen.

Just my opinion.

**ISUFan22** · 08-31-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by rd4isu

Let me ask you this then. Why can't ISU overcome turnovers or missed field goals? Why can't we overcome holding penalties or false starts?

Same reason we couldn't overcome it last year. This team still doesn't handle any sort of adversity well.

It was clearly displayed once gain last night.