USF upsets Auburn

[cyclonenum1]

I don't know why there is so much hate for Coach Mac. It's not like he ran ISU's program into the ground or anything. You may not have liked the results last season, but he lived and died everything ISU.

I can't believe how much hate some ISU fans have for this guy.

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

[EggMcClone]

Wow...if by "it's not like" you mean "it's exactly like" then I'd agree.

And I like Dan and respect him for giving us some good seasons but you can't deny the program fell back into the crapper on his watch.

[Clone_12]

In order to "run something into the ground", it has to be above the ground when you inherit it.

[SplitIdentity]

Wait, how can you even say he ran ISU's program into the ground? Are you kidding? Let's think. How many wins had ISU had in the previous 20 years combined?

Let's look at it by the numbers. From 1979-1994, ISU had 63 wins. That's 4 wins per season. Under Coach Mac - 1995-2006 - ISU had 58 wins. That's over 5 wins per game. Not to mention the bowl games and the split Big12 North Titles.

Please, enlighten me - when was there more success in the ISU program? IMO, he raised expectations too high for his own good, and that ended up being the end of him. But it's downright insane to suggest that he ran the program into the ground. It was in the ground when he was hired.

[gwoodclone]

Wait, how can you even say he ran ISU's program into the ground? Are you kidding? Let's think. How many wins had ISU had in the previous 20 years combined?

Let's look at it by the numbers. From 1979-1994, ISU had 63 wins. That's 4 wins per season. Under Coach Mac - 1995-2006 - ISU had 58 wins. That's over 5 wins per game. Not to mention the bowl games and the split Big12 North Titles.

Please, enlighten me - when was there more success in the ISU program? IMO, he raised expectations too high for his own good, and that ended up being the end of him. But it's downright insane to suggest that he ran the program into the ground. It was in the ground when he was hired.

Yes, but, after being a coach for TWELVE YEARS your team shouldn't be at the point where it has a chance to go 0-12! And too high of expectations? Are you saying we shouldn't expect to win more than four games a year? And those coming down the the one play each?

[CYdTracked]

Yes, but, after being a coach for TWELVE YEARS your team shouldn't be at the point where it has a chance to go 0-12! And too high of expectations? Are you saying we shouldn't expect to win more than four games a year? And those coming down the the one play each?

Ok first off enough with the Mac bashing once and forall! This is not his team anymore, it's Chizik's. It's just stupid to say "if Mac had coached this year we wouldn't have lost" because he didn't get the chance to do that obviously and it's stupid to blame these lossed on Dan just because these are mostly players he recruited because ultimately every coach has been in the same situation at 1 time or another in any sport. That fact is we have looked like complete CRAP both these games and some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff because some of the mistakes made were a result of their decisions.

PATIENCE people! That is the word. Some of you act like ISU is or was a powerhouse in football and Dan destroyed that and like SouthernHawk pointed out that Dan did bring success to ISU that was never brought here before. Wether you want to call it mediocre or whatever, the numbers SH brought up proves that in the W/L collumn we took a step forward.

It's time for us all to take a step forward wether you liked Mac or not and focus on the future and not the past. It's not doing any good to bring Dan back into this when he has nothing to do with it anymore.

[cycloneworld]

Anyone who thinks Mac "ran our program into the ground" is a moron. I'm sorry for the name calling, but I actually think its necessary in this situation.

[cyclonenum1]

Wait, how can you even say he ran ISU's program into the ground? Are you kidding? Let's think. How many wins had ISU had in the previous 20 years combined?

Let's look at it by the numbers. From 1979-1994, ISU had 63 wins. That's 4 wins per season. Under Coach Mac - 1995-2006 - ISU had 58 wins. That's over 5 wins per game. Not to mention the bowl games and the split Big12 North Titles.

Please, enlighten me - when was there more success in the ISU program? IMO, he raised expectations too high for his own good, and that ended up being the end of him. But it's downright insane to suggest that he ran the program into the ground. It was in the ground when he was hired.

Glad to enlighten you. How about the eight years from 71 through 78. ISU had four 8 win seasons in these eight years and averaged over 6 wins per year. Oh that's right, you hawkeyes don't count anything pre-Hayden Fry.

Your numbers used to praise the McCarney era are quite disingenuous for several reasons:

-The expansion of the season to 12 games. For over 1/2 of McCarney's tenure ISU (and all other teams) played a 12 game schedule rather than an 11 game schedule. Hell, we played 14 games in 02. The average number of games McCarney's teams played was 11.7.

-The proliferation of Bowl games has made making a bowl a relatively pedestrian accomplishment these days. Over half of the D-I teams get bowl bids in today's environment. In today's environment, the much-maligned Jim's (Criner and Walden) would have both taken us to bowl games...Criner in 86 and Walden in 89. Looking back even further, we had an 8-3 team in 76 that played in a very tough Big 8 Conference that did not even get a Bowl bid.

-The Big 12 North has proven to be very weak in the new millenium. Frankly, splitting a Big 12 North title is like having the best JV team in the land...no one cares. The Big 8 Conference back in the 70's and 80's was one of, in not the, toughest conferences in America.

Memo to you as a hawkeye fan...if you think we have set our expectations too high in FB you are in for a rude awakening. The day is coming when we will be the dominant FB power in the state of Iowa and the entire Midwest.

[gwoodclone]

Ok first off enough with the Mac bashing once and forall! This is not his team anymore, it's Chizik's. It's just stupid to say "if Mac had coached this year we wouldn't have lost" because he didn't get the chance to do that obviously and it's stupid to blame these lossed on Dan just because these are mostly players he recruited because ultimately every coach has been in the same situation at 1 time or another in any sport. That fact is we have looked like complete CRAP both these games and some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff because some of the mistakes made were a result of their decisions.

PATIENCE people! That is the word. Some of you act like ISU is or was a powerhouse in football and Dan destroyed that and like SouthernHawk pointed out that Dan did bring success to ISU that was never brought here before. Wether you want to call it mediocre or whatever, the numbers SH brought up proves that in the W/L collumn we took a step forward.

It's time for us all to take a step forward wether you liked Mac or not and focus on the future and not the past. It's not doing any good to bring Dan back into this when he has nothing to do with it anymore.

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was bashing Mac, because I wasn't.(or at least didn't intend to)I was pointing out a fact that I would think is coming accepted: After 12 years with a coach, a team shouldn't go 4-8, no matter how bad they were when said coach took over.

I never said we would have won our first two games if Mac was coach. I suppose saying "Yes, but, after being a coach for TWELVE YEARS your team shouldn't be at the point where it has a chance to go 0-12!"could have been interpretted as that tho.

I blame the coaching change more than I do the current coaches. Look at Colorado and Hawkins last season.

I don't expect a change right now, I know it is going to take years. I am prepared to wait for the better things I know are coming. The day we are, as you said, a "Powerhouse".

[cyclonenum1]

I've read a number of articles on this game and nowhere have I heard this team referred to as "Dan McCarney's team"...they haven't evened mentioned his name in any of the articles. These sports writers are all clearly a bunch of "McCarney haters" because they are not giving him his due.

[SplitIdentity]

Glad to enlighten you. How about the eight years from 71 through 78. ISU had four 8 win seasons in these eight years and averaged over 6 wins per year. Oh that's right, you hawkeyes don't count anything pre-Hayden Fry.

Okay, 15 years ago is living in the past. 30 years ago is almost pre-historic. And Iowa fans remember plenty of the pre-Fry era. In fact, there were 20 straight losing seasons. We know.

Sorry, but 4 seasons in the 70's don't make you a historic program.

Your numbers used to praise the McCarney era are quite disingenuous for several reasons:

-The expansion of the season to 12 games. For over 1/2 of McCarney's tenure ISU (and all other teams) played a 12 game schedule rather than an 11 game schedule. Hell, we played 14 games in 02. The average number of games McCarney's teams played was 11.7.

And he still managed to win more than half of his games - something that hasn't been the norm at ISU since - as you said - the 70's. And this refutes the point I was making how?

-The proliferation of Bowl games has made making a bowl a relatively pedestrian accomplishment these days. Over half of the D-I teams get bowl bids in today's environment. In today's environment, the much-maligned Jim's (Criner and Walden) would have both taken us to bowl games...Criner in 86 and Walden in 89. Looking back even further, we had an 8-3 team in 76 that played in a very tough Big 8 Conference that did not even get a Bowl bid.
.

Okay, 2 more seasons that could have made bowl games. I don't get your point. Coach Mac had more chances to get ISU to bowl games, and he took you to 5 - winning 2. Not bad. Almost every other year was a bowl season.

-The Big 12 North has proven to be very weak in the new millenium. Frankly, splitting a Big 12 North title is like having the best JV team in the land...no one cares. The Big 8 Conference back in the 70's and 80's was one of, in not the, toughest conferences in America.

Agreed with the first part, not so much the second. The power of the conferences was much more diverse back then.

Memo to you as a hawkeye fan...if you think we have set our expectations too high in FB you are in for a rude awakening. The day is coming when we will be the dominant FB power in the state of Iowa and the entire Midwest

I never once said your expectations were too high. What I was saying is that you fired a coach who built those expectations. If you had them pre-McCarney, you had a lot of disappointing seasons.

And the day is coming huh? Hate to break this to you pal, but you have a loooong ways to go to be the most dominant team in the state of Iowa, let alone the Midwest. I can name two teams in Iowa better than ISU.

I understand having high expectations. I can also understand getting a new coach. What I can't understand is the hatred, or at least open dislike for a coach that lived and breathed ISU sports. If you think Iowa fans are arrogant, you need to take a look in the mirror.

Oh, and if you want to compete with teams like Michigan, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas, Kansas State, Illinois, and etc..., you're going to need a stadium that fits more than 55,000 people.

[ISUAlum2002]

We have more season ticketholders than Kansas and Kansas State. Probably a few others on your list, too.

The stadium also fits more than 55,000, as evidenced by last week's record crowd of over 57,000.

[SplitIdentity]

We have more season ticketholders than Kansas and Kansas State. Probably a few others on your list, too.

The stadium also fits more than 55,000, as evidenced by last week's record crowd of over 57,000.

You and I both know that the season tickets are inflated this year. That being said, to become the most dominant team in the midwest, there is a long ways to go. That was my point.

I do think that with Chizik ISU can become a player, but the vision that some people have of national championships and dominating the Big 12 won't happen for a while. It takes a lot to build a program from scratch.

I do expect ISU to break the title drought though.

[ISUAlum2002]

Not sure why you believe the season ticket numbers are "inflated." Its pretty cut and dried. There were a certain number of season tickets bought and paid for. They are concrete numbers.

Will next year's season ticket numbers be inflated next year also when Pollard refuses to offer single game tickets for Nebraska? He's going to do this every season.....so are every season's final numbers going to be inflated?

[SplitIdentity]

Not sure why you believe the season ticket numbers are "inflated." Its pretty cut and dried. There were a certain number of season tickets bought and paid for. They are concrete numbers.

Will next year's season ticket numbers be inflated next year also when Pollard refuses to offer single game tickets for Nebraska? He's going to do this every season.....so are every season's final numbers going to be inflated?

It depends on if he does that, and if the fans buy into that again.

I've been noticing a lot of people selling tickets to ISU games online - more than I've seen in the past.