Question for Clone fans re: coaching change

**Wesley** · 10-06-2007, 10:12 AM

Listened to Dan on sportzone 1620 yesterday. They called him the assistant coach. He is enthusiatic and was a line coach at Iowa City in 1989 when Jim Leavitt was a graduate assistant. He is looking for a head coach job if they come to him. He is happy about being #6. He has daughters at ISU and Iowa still. He loves his past players and wish them well. He is one of the nicest coaches in the business.

That said, Gene did not fire/resign Dan. J P did. Gene has a system which will let us compete. Defense, speed and special teams appears to be instilled at KSU, ISU, Colorado and offense at Nebraska. Times will be tougher in the North the next five years. We have to get better. We can. W need more speed players. We will see tons of jucos the next two years. We appear to be doing it right. I just am surprised that new staffs have to lose so many games before they get it going. Look at Callahan and Hawkins and Gundy. Prince is a fluke. Seems like the worst head coaches may turn out to be Pinkel and Callahan in the long run. Hmmm.

**Stormin** · 10-06-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Hah, yeah he was forced out. He knew it was coming, and did what was best for the program and offered himself up as a sacrifice. If Dan had quit, he would not still be getting paid from ISU.

Actually, I believe the resignation terms stipulated that all contracts for all the coaches would be honored as far as pay. Or at least had terms spelled out for the buyout of all coaches involved.

Everyone realizes that it technically was a "Resign with dignity or be fired" type of situation. By taking the resignation route, Mac was allowed to negotiate a situation that was probably best for him and his coaches plus what was best for ISU.

Personally, I think it was the right move. Now and for the future. As Pollard said, his intent was for the football program to be successful and Dan to be head coach for as long as he wanted. Instead, we had a sick program in need of change. HOPE was the biggest reason for change. New coach Chizik brought hope.

**cyclonenum1** · 10-06-2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

My God, please don't tell me Chizik is fired if he only wins 6 games in his first 3 years. What if he wins 7 or 8? Is he fired then?

It's gonna be a long road back to medicore ... and even longer to winner. Give the new one a break.

Dude, it's not just the number of wins in three years...it's whether or not the program is going forwards or backwards...if it's 3-2-1...that is not a reasonable progression. If it is 1-2-3 that is more acceptable...although still not quick enough for me. A guy that can really coach will not win only one game in his third year at a school.

**darts180** · 10-09-2007, 01:59 PM

To the original poster from Tech. In reading this thread you should come to an understanding of why Iowa State holds the status they do.

You are reading people worshipping a guy who after he "turned around the program," was six games under .500.

He got more than anyone before him, and did less with it (the North was pathetic the last three years, Tech would have walked through it) than those before him.

Yet there are people on here who are grateful for never winning against anyone when they were good (unless they had Iowa on their jerseys, playing to the long standing second class citizen mentality of the fanbase).

He was the longest tenured coach in the league, yet he had to pull every string that he could last Winter to end up with was a d-line coaching job. There is a reason for that.

Yet people still lick his *** on here like he actually won big. The man was and remains a self promoting machine. Unfortunately for him, records, and game tapes don't lie.

**conmebol** · 10-09-2007, 02:04 PM

I think that Dan is actually a good coach and motivator. I'm not so sure he is a good head coach though.

**CYdTracked** · 10-09-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by travman23

Originally Posted by CY ST8T

What? No darts in a DMAC thread? Someone better go make sure he is alright!

Don't worry, I'm sure he'll make an appearance sooner or later...

Well I see he's still alive, just took him awhile...

For heaven's sake Darts just let this topic DIE! You just will never stop it with the Mac bashing will you? This thread was dead for nearly 3 days and you just put it back on life support by repeating the same things you've said a million times now. Follow your own advice for once and look forward to the future instead of dwelling on the past like you acuse anyone that defends Mac.

**clonomaniac** · 10-09-2007, 02:15 PM

Dan was let go. How about that term?

**clonomaniac** · 10-09-2007, 02:16 PM

On a second note, let's not revisit this topic, shall we?

**ketelmeister** · 10-09-2007, 02:28 PM

McCarney did make ISU relevant again, but luck didn't go his way in the big games. And his recruiting dropped off significantly in recent years. It was time for a change.

**darts180** · 10-09-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by travman23

Well I see he's still alive, just took him awhile...

For heaven's sake Darts just let this topic DIE! You just will never stop it with the Mac bashing will you? This thread was dead for nearly 3 days and you just put it back on life support by repeating the same things you've said a million times now. Follow your own advice for once and look forward to the future instead of dwelling on the past like you acuse anyone that defends Mac.

See Trav, again this is where you are wrong. That post was very little about Dan. It spoke more to the mindset of the Cyclone fans. The mindset that all of the coaches, and AD are trying to eradicate. Fortunately, there are fans that that realize this.

**DaddyMac** · 10-09-2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

No one could be stupid enough to believe Dan should have been fired after the first 3 years. This is football it takes 5+ years to even build up to respectable. And with the pit that was ISU football before Dan, not losing every single game in that first 5 years was a miracle.

Spoken like someone who was around and in the pit.

Good post.

**darts180** · 10-09-2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by DaddyMac

Spoken like someone who was around and in the pit.

Good post.

I was there also. And I firmly believe that you have to give a coach time to clean up the mess that was left for him. However, there comes a point where you have to cut bait, and this was in 2003. On;y at Iowa State could a guy lick as much *** as he did to keep his job. And be thanked for delivering a bad product.

Not only that, you still have people like Brian spitting the same nonsense spin, even after he is gone.

**CYdTracked** · 10-09-2007, 03:05 PM

What's with all multiple references to licking things?

**darts180** · 10-09-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

No one could be stupid enough to believe Dan should have been fired after the first 3 years. This is football it takes 5+ years to even build up to respectable. And with the pit that was ISU football before Dan, not losing every single game in that first 5 years was a miracle.

Actually, Brian, the miracle is how you could let yourself pose for that pic, let alone post it

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**cyclone79** · 10-09-2007, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Techsan81

Were you guys all on board with firing Dan?

I know the team fell short several times in the last few years when they were on the verge of winning the Big XII North, but I really liked him and thought he was doing a good job for Iowa State.

Also curious about your impressions of Chizik.

NO............ Dan would be 5-1 right now. We would have finished 7-5 this year.
(7-5) right.
Now; we will win 6 games in 2009 and everyone will complain and ruin recruiting; we will be right back where we are today with a new coach. new ad, and 1 win in 2011.

You don't get it.