Cleveland School Shooting

Actually, we should hold Doctor Spock, the media, as well as 40+ years of bad parenting and bad teaching theory financially responsible. It's ony fair, you know.

The guns haven't changed. But the people have.

I'm a "loaded gun" kind of guy. There's nothing more useless, or dangerous than an unloaded gun. Making others partly liable for individuals' actions will destroy freedom in our country quicker than just about anything.

You can "what if" this subject to death, but I stand on this principle. An individual, going off and shooting some people in the shopping mall doesn't really threaten the country. Gun control laws, and encouraging extended liability will destroy it quicker 'n' snot.

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What if I happen to provide the beer for an underage party. What if someone left it, drove drunk and killed someone. I'm going to get in trouble. Why would I not do that? Because I know I'd get in trouble, even though I wasn't the drunk driver who killed someone. There is a law against. What are my options? One, I could decide not to break the law and provide the beer. Two, I could still provide it, but take everyone's keys and supervise the party and make sure no one leaves. Give them a place to stay all night. In the second option, I'm still doing something illegal, but I've taken measures to make sure that everyone stays safe, which is what the law was put in place for anyway.

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Here though, you willfully provided them alcohol. If someone broke into your house, cracked open your locked liquor cabinet, then drove drunk and killed someone, I don't think that you're going to see any blame on your part for taking precautionary measures. Same goes for guns.

There's not much we really can do to stop such a thing as this from happening. It seems that in most cases, the kid that shoots up a school has either not many, or no friends. Their parents *should* be able to see some of that happening. The biggest thing though, is that most of these kids likely have clinical depression, which is a noticable disorder.

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Originally Posted by Cyclone62

If someone broke into your house, cracked open your locked liquor cabinet, then drove drunk and killed someone,

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I am thinking that we should get the car manufacturer involved also. They did not make it so the car CAN NOT be operated by a person that is intoxicated. Breathalizers should be mandatory on all vehicles to keep the car from becoming a weapon that can kill people.:wink:

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Originally Posted by redrocker

I am thinking that we should get the car manufacturer involved also. They did not make it so the car CAN NOT be operated by a person that is intoxicated. Breathalizers should be mandatory on all vehicles to keep the car from becoming a weapon that can kill people.:wink:

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I agree with you 1,000%. I have known about this technology for awhile and I can't understand for the LIFE of me why we do not make these mandatory in cars. I would be willing to have to blow into a breathalizer for 2 seconds before driving if it meant I knew that everyone else on the road had to do it so that there would be zero people driving under the influence. I love to drink, but never have driven over the legal limit and never will I. Being able to drink at home or in a bar is a right if you are over 21. Being able to drive after you are 16 is a privilege. Let's keep drivers safe!

I was trying tp be sarcastic,..... but, I guess I did make a good point. Horray for ME!

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Originally Posted by JHudd

What if the principal or teachers were allowed to have guns in school, would this problem have been solved earlier with less bloodshed? There really is no good argument to this, if someone has it in their mind to do harm and in a big way they will find a weapon or instrument to get it done with. Just my .02

*personally do not think that more gun control is the answer, just stiffer penalties for abuse and miss-use.*

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I read an article a while back about the schools in Las Vegas starting to require their teachers to become certified to carry a gun and packing heat at school...that would be an interesting situation I think...I know I wouldn't want to teach in a district where it was that rough that I had to carry a gun :no:

If teachers carried guns, it wouldn't be a "rough" school. I suspect it would be a very "peaceful" school.

So when does this become a political thread that is banished to the hinterlands? Has it perhaps crossed that dangerous line already?

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Originally Posted by herbiedoobie

If teachers carried guns, it wouldn't be a "rough" school. I suspect it would be a very "peaceful" school.

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Problem with that philosophy is that what keeps them from being trigger happy. Or a teacher feels like there is a threat even if there isnt. They would need special training.

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Originally Posted by tigershoops31

I read an article a while back about the schools in Las Vegas starting to require their teachers to become certified to carry a gun and packing heat at school...that would be an interesting situation I think...I know I wouldn't want to teach in a district where it was that rough that I had to carry a gun :no:

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I wouldn't want to either, and I would sooner get another career than be forced to carry a gun at school. The cop having a gun doesn't keep people from shooting at him, so I fail to see how having teachers carry guns would deter a student of similar mindset.

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Originally Posted by bostinelosd

Problem with that philosophy is that what keeps them from being trigger happy. Or a teacher feels like there is a threat even if there isnt. They would need special training.

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Personal responsibility. That's what would make the difference. My wife used to be a curb hitting, one accident a year kind of driver. Then she became a Private Pilot. The additional responsibility made her an excellent driver. When hitting a curb was "no big thing" she didn't take responsibility for sloppy driving. When hitting the ground became sure death, she began taking driving extremely seriously.

I don't think FORCING anyone to own and carry a gun is the answer, either. Teachers are not cops. But teachers should be ALLOWED to carry guns, and they should be concealed, in order to put the element of deterrence into the equation. As should college students who are mature enough and want to apply for and earn a concealed carry license.

Human nature appears to respond to this set of inputs. For sure, making schools into "Criminal Protection Zones" by making them gun-free (yeah, right) is really working incredibly well. [sarcasm]

I'm not sure putting more guns in schools is the answer. 2 or 3 delinquent students decide to overtake a teacher that has a gun. Gun now in the hands of people it shouldn't be.

Sounds like bad news to me.

I disagree. That's the standard anti-gunner throwdown that allows The Constitution to be basically flushed down the toilet. What 2 or 3 deliquent students (which were created by our failed, liberal education system, obtw) do does not affect the fabric of our country. When we completely throw out an amendment to the Constitution out of fear of what might happen, IS damaging to the fabric of our country.

BTW, why do we need to have students like that in our schools? If they are that delinquent, kick them out of school/imprison them. And if they're bad after that, that's what capital punishment is for.

Never said I am anti-gun, I had 'em when I grew up. I think folks should have the right to carry 'em.

But I don't think putting more guns around young people is the answer at all.

Unfortunately, almost all of the students that went on these shooting sprees, showed little to no signs of delinquency until the incident. So the "toss 'em out" theory doesn't work.

Ok teachers are allowed to carry guns and they have checkpoints in school to make sure students dont. Now you have many guns floating around school and a student might know this and take one from a teacher. So he went from being unarmed to having his choice of when and who to nab it from.