ISU vs Texas Post-Game Analysis

Cyclone62 · 10-14-2007, 12:30 AM

Meyer threw 2 today, I forgot about the first one.

However, I also found an interesting stat while checking that out. Projected at this point of the season, Meyer should be sacked a total of 16 times. Looking back though, that's nearly half as many times as the time he was sacked the least in his first three years (28).

Wesley · 10-14-2007, 12:49 AM

Three to zip on turnovers. We are one of national leaders in negative turnovers.

tulsacyfan · 10-14-2007, 12:49 AM

Guys - I hate to say this, but I think we need to face facts. ISU needs to seriously consider joining a different conference. We will never, ever be able to compete with the South division schools. Just look at our historical record against Oklahoma - case closed.

As far as south division teams, I can say that as a native Iowan living in Oklahoma for the past thirteen years, football here is a totally different world than it is up north. Don't take me wrong - I am not trying to bad-mouth Iowa - I love Iowa, love Ames, love ISU. Iowa simply does not have the base of talent to draw from that Oklahoma or Texas schools do. Iowa high school football is like pee-wee football as compared to Oklahoma or Texas. Case in point - the school my daughter goes to a school here in Tulsa that is 2A with a senior class of 65. Our football stadium has the new field turf, we have motor coaches that take the players to the game and our concession and restroom facilities are honestly better than those at Jack Trice (which I know isn't saying much). The football facility for the 2A school that I went to in Central Iowa with double the enrollment looks like junk compared to what we have here. Kids here in Tulsa can start organized football at age six. I have a friend who coaches a youth team (seven - eight) and the coaches have headsets, hold two coaches meetings each week, etc.

The point of this is that the commitment to football in the south is entirely different than that in the North. You have to live here to experience it or you just don't see the world of difference.

During the twelve years that we have been in the Big 12, we have what, lost to Texas and Oklahoma every time we have played them, beat Tech and A&M once, beat O-State once at Stillwater and maybe once in Ames and Baylor doesn't really even count.

So, the only South division school that we have had any success with in 12 years is O-State, which now has Boone Pickens' money as a leveling factor and ISU will have a hard time beating them again going forward. My point is that we have to face reality - ISU, given no tradition of success, limited financial resources, poor location to recruit players to, bad local talent base, demoralized fan base, etc., etc. needs to consider the possibility of a future in a different league in my opinion.

I think we could experience a lot more success in football and basketball in a league such as Conference USA or the Mountain West. Yes, I know the Mountain West tie in is a stretch, but TCU is in the Mountain West and Fort Worth is not real moutainous. I just think that if there was any way that the money made sense in either of these we could at least compete with all the teams in the league. This year we could compete with none of the teams in either league, granted.

Thoughts? I will brace myself for the flaming that is to come. :)

Cyclone62 · 10-14-2007, 12:59 AM

We have, and will, compete in the Big 12/old Big 8. Maybe we won't be world beaters at any point, and the South has the advantage of in-state recruiting, but what about Mizzou, Kansas, K-State, and Baylor? Their traditions are not nearly as deep as Nebraska, Colorado, and the south schools, but they can compete. Why can't we? Heck, Minnesota gave TT a game last year, and they're further north and more into Hockey than Iowa. Why could they compete and we can't?

CrossCyed · 10-14-2007, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by tulsacyfan

Guys - I hate to say this, but I think we need to face facts. ISU needs to seriously consider joining a different conference. We will never, ever be able to compete with the South division schools. Just look at our historical record against Oklahoma - case closed.

As far as south division teams, I can say that as a native Iowan living in Oklahoma for the past thirteen years, football here is a totally different world than it is up north. Don't take me wrong - I am not trying to bad-mouth Iowa - I love Iowa, love Ames, love ISU. Iowa simply does not have the base of talent to draw from that Oklahoma or Texas schools do. Iowa high school football is like pee-wee football as compared to Oklahoma or Texas. Case in point - the school my daughter goes to a school here in Tulsa that is 2A with a senior class of 65. Our football stadium has the new field turf, we have motor coaches that take the players to the game and our concession and restroom facilities are honestly better than those at Jack Trice (which I know isn't saying much). The football facility for the 2A school that I went to in Central Iowa with double the enrollment looks like junk compared to what we have here. Kids here in Tulsa can start organized football at age six. I have a friend who coaches a youth team (seven - eight) and the coaches have headsets, hold two coaches meetings each week, etc.

The point of this is that the commitment to football in the south is entirely different than that in the North. You have to live here to experience it or you just don't see the world of difference.

During the twelve years that we have been in the Big 12, we have what, lost to Texas and Oklahoma every time we have played them, beat Tech and A&M once, beat O-State once at Stillwater and maybe once in Ames and Baylor doesn't really even count.

So, the only South division school that we have had any success with in 12 years is O-State, which now has Boone Pickens' money as a leveling factor and ISU will have a hard time beating them again going forward. My point is that we have to face reality - ISU, given no tradition of success, limited financial resources, poor location to recruit players to, bad local talent base, demoralized fan base, etc., etc. needs to consider the possibility of a future in a different league in my opinion.

I think we could experience a lot more success in football and basketball in a league such as Conference USA or the Mountain West. Yes, I know the Mountain West tie in is a stretch, but TCU is in the Mountain West and Fort Worth is not real moutainous. I just think that if there was any way that the money made sense in either of these we could at least compete with all the teams in the league. This year we could compete with none of the teams in either league, granted.

Thoughts? I will brace myself for the flaming that is to come. :)

Let's give away a ton of money by moving a smaller conference.

tulsacyfan · 10-14-2007, 01:12 AM

K-State is the only north division school who has, over an extended period of time, ever managed to go from being utterly terrible to competitive with the south division schools. Yes, this year Kansas and Missouri are making some noise, but if you look at the history, it is a one year phenomenon.

The problem is now all the north division schools have passed us two, making a tough job even tougher. Honestly, Colorado really has no excuse for not being the best team in the North, year in and year out - some really good recent tradition, best location in the entire Big 12 to recruit kids to, big-time local market, etc.

This is why I like Pro football better than college - pro football has the great equalizer, i.e. the draft. College has no such equalizer.

Wesley · 10-14-2007, 01:13 AM

Let's go Mountain West or Little Ten. KState whippd on Colorado tonight. Heard the MAC treams want to line us up to play. Buffalo and Ohio U are interested.

Drive4cy · 10-14-2007, 01:16 AM

Someone has a short memory of 2004 and 2005 where WE gave away the North title. Granted, the North was awful but the point still stands.

I like us being in the Big 12 and if we ever moved to a non-BCS or D1aa in football, I'd have a hard time being a big fan anymore. It would seem so pointless.

tulsacyfan · 10-14-2007, 01:22 AM

2004 and 2005 are very memorable - we played the weakest South division teams in recent history, the north utterly stunk and we still couldn't win the North division.

The record speaks for itself - somebody ought to compile ISU's record against South division schools the past twelve years - not real good.

I would rather see competitive football than contests like today, 2006 and 2003 at Norman (which unfortunately I paid to see live), etc. Just my opinion.

Cyclone62 · 10-14-2007, 02:00 AM

Umm.. so, you're saying, in essence, that you'd rather beat cupcakes than lose, right? I fail to see how we'd gain respect in doing that.

Drive4cy · 10-14-2007, 02:04 AM

I just can't get excited about Iowa State going 5-3 in the MAC or Conference USA. Boise State wins 90 percent of their games in recent history and nobody cares for a reason. I'll gladly take my chances in the Big 12, especially the North which I never see being a big time division in college football because of traditions, facilities, and location. I think we are in a good spot and can be very successful here. If we had a coach in 2005, we would have won 10 games.

CrossCyed · 10-14-2007, 02:10 AM

Again, you know, plus the **** load of money we'd lose.

j4state · 10-14-2007, 04:09 AM

I love being in the Big XII but if our fan base gets a few more years of this....Say hello to the mid-majors my friends cuz the Cyclones are movin' in!

Exactly what Pollard warned us of when he canned Danny Boy. Our program is at a delicate state and we are going to move one of two ways in the next few years: A competitor in the Big XII, or making new rivalries with the NIUs and the Central Michigans of the world.

BryceC · 10-14-2007, 08:42 AM

If we become a mid major I officially will not be a Cyclone fan anymore. You guys are being ridiculous. We've been lower than this and become competitive. Jesus this thread is one hell of a meltdown.

iceclone · 10-14-2007, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by tulsacyfan

Guys - I hate to say this, but I think we need to face facts. ISU needs to seriously consider joining a different conference. We will never, ever be able to compete with the South division schools. Just look at our historical record against Oklahoma - case closed.

As far as south division teams, I can say that as a native Iowan living in Oklahoma for the past thirteen years, football here is a totally different world than it is up north. Don't take me wrong - I am not trying to bad-mouth Iowa - I love Iowa, love Ames, love ISU. Iowa simply does not have the base of talent to draw from that Oklahoma or Texas schools do. Iowa high school football is like pee-wee football as compared to Oklahoma or Texas. Case in point - the school my daughter goes to a school here in Tulsa that is 2A with a senior class of 65. Our football stadium has the new field turf, we have motor coaches that take the players to the game and our concession and restroom facilities are honestly better than those at Jack Trice (which I know isn't saying much). The football facility for the 2A school that I went to in Central Iowa with double the enrollment looks like junk compared to what we have here. Kids here in Tulsa can start organized football at age six. I have a friend who coaches a youth team (seven - eight) and the coaches have headsets, hold two coaches meetings each week, etc.

The point of this is that the commitment to football in the south is entirely different than that in the North. You have to live here to experience it or you just don't see the world of difference.

During the twelve years that we have been in the Big 12, we have what, lost to Texas and Oklahoma every time we have played them, beat Tech and A&M once, beat O-State once at Stillwater and maybe once in Ames and Baylor doesn't really even count.

So, the only South division school that we have had any success with in 12 years is O-State, which now has Boone Pickens' money as a leveling factor and ISU will have a hard time beating them again going forward. My point is that we have to face reality - ISU, given no tradition of success, limited financial resources, poor location to recruit players to, bad local talent base, demoralized fan base, etc., etc. needs to consider the possibility of a future in a different league in my opinion.

I think we could experience a lot more success in football and basketball in a league such as Conference USA or the Mountain West. Yes, I know the Mountain West tie in is a stretch, but TCU is in the Mountain West and Fort Worth is not real moutainous. I just think that if there was any way that the money made sense in either of these we could at least compete with all the teams in the league. This year we could compete with none of the teams in either league, granted.

Thoughts? I will brace myself for the flaming that is to come. :)

This will never happen. Shouldn't happen, cannot happen, will not happen.