6-6 May not do it for Hawkeyes bowl hopes

**keepngoal** · 10-31-2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

It's just sad so many put Iowa losing in front of anything else ISU does.

let me put it this way.. in an order of importance

1. ISU wins, Iowa loses (perfect weekend, IMO. Look out Mrs. KeepNGoal).

2. ISU wins, Iowa wins (At least we won, yippie!! Better still look out).

3. ISU loses, Iowa loses (crap we lost, but at least the squaks will be quite. Will you comfort me please?).

4. ISU loses, Iowa wins (crap we lost and he have to hear about the squaks. I am a bearcat... literally, watch out Mrs. KeepNGoal.).

That is how I rate my weekends..... and I bet most ISU fans do too.

-keep.

**jumbopackage** · 10-31-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by HandSanitizer

But its Iowa. Every team that they need to win/lose will probably win/lose and they will find a way to a decent bowl game some how. How are the other conferences looking? That is what I would be hoping for as an Iowa fan. Get an at large bid. Iowa would be a pretty attractive at large team.

The problem is that they can't go to a bowl game as long as there are 7-5 teams, if they only get to 6 wins. The at-large bowls can't take a 6 win team if there are 7 win teams out there, no matter how much they might want Iowa. On top of that, almost all of the bowl games have conference tie-ins. The only way to get at-large berths is if those conferences can't fill their bowl tie-ins, even with 6 win teams.

So what it boils down to is that Iowa's chances of a bowl game outside of the Big 10 with 6 wins are slim to non-existent. And by slim I mean the chances of you having sasquatch over for Thanksgiving dinner. In the Big 10, with 6 wins and some luck they to either the Motor City bowl, or the Insight.com bowl, probably largely depending on if Michigan beats Ohio State.

They still have to win 2 games, which is far from a foregone conclusion.

**Cyclonesrule91** · 10-31-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by keepngoal

let me put it this way.. in an order of importance

1. ISU wins, Iowa loses (perfect weekend, IMO. Look out Mrs. KeepNGoal).

2. ISU wins, Iowa wins (At least we won, yippie!! Better still look out).

3. ISU loses, Iowa loses (crap we lost, but at least the squaks will be quite. Will you comfort me please?).

4. ISU loses, Iowa wins (crap we lost and he have to hear about the squaks. I am a bearcat... literally, watch out Mrs. KeepNGoal.).

That is how I rate my weekends..... and I bet most ISU fans do too.

-keep.

That's me to a T as well....

**SplitIdentity** · 10-31-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by jumbopackage

The problem is that they can't go to a bowl game as long as there are 7-5 teams, if they only get to 6 wins. The at-large bowls can't take a 6 win team if there are 7 win teams out there, no matter how much they might want Iowa. On top of that, almost all of the bowl games have conference tie-ins. The only way to get at-large berths is if those conferences can't fill their bowl tie-ins, even with 6 win teams.

So what it boils down to is that Iowa's chances of a bowl game outside of the Big 10 with 6 wins are slim to non-existent. And by slim I mean the chances of you having sasquatch over for Thanksgiving dinner. In the Big 10, with 6 wins and some luck they to either the Motor City bowl, or the Insight.com bowl, probably largely depending on if Michigan beats Ohio State.

They still have to win 2 games, which is far from a foregone conclusion.

Actually, the 7 win stipulation only applies to conference tie-ins.

At large can pick anybody with a .500 record or better - if this wasn't the case, you'd sere a lot more mid-majors going.

**hawkeye_t** · 10-31-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Actually, the 7 win stipulation only applies to conference tie-ins.

At large can pick anybody with a .500 record or better - if this wasn't the case, you'd sere a lot more mid-majors going.

That is incorrect beginning last year. If a 7-5 at-large team is available, they must be selected over a 6-6 at-large team.

**acody** · 10-31-2007, 10:44 PM

Why is this being discussed on a Cyclone message board? This is in my opinion a problem with our ISU fan base.

**jahfg** · 10-31-2007, 10:48 PM

Because many of us live in the state of Iowa and as sports fans, we are also interested in the Iowa Hawkeyes. There is nothing wrong with that. We put the Cyclones first but are also interested in what goes on with the other team in the state. Jesus H, you guys are ridiculous.

**SplitIdentity** · 10-31-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by hawkeye_t

That is incorrect beginning last year. If a 7-5 at-large team is available, they must be selected over a 6-6 at-large team.

Actually, I believe it is correct - I'm 99% sure that the 7-5 rule is only in place for conference tie-ins, but at large bowls can choose any team with a .500 record or better. At least that's how I've read the rule in multiple places.

But now, I am indeed curious, and will go look through the NCAA site and see if I can find something on it. I have been (rarely) wrong before

**Wesley** · 10-31-2007, 11:18 PM

Well, Toto, they were 6-6, yet the Wicked Witch did them in at Ames and kept them out of a New Years Bowl:

**jumbopackage** · 11-01-2007, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernHawk

Actually, I believe it is correct - I'm 99% sure that the 7-5 rule is only in place for conference tie-ins, but at large bowls can choose any team with a .500 record or better. At least that's how I've read the rule in multiple places.

But now, I am indeed curious, and will go look through the NCAA site and see if I can find something on it. I have been (rarely) wrong before

According to TFA in the first post, ALL bowls have to take 7-5 teams over 6-6 teams, regardless of conference.

FTFA:

So, last season, the NCAA enacted a rule that forces conference to select teams with 7-5 records over teams at 6-6. It basically put a premium on having a winning record.

If the Big Ten ends up with seven 7-5 teams and three at 6-6, the 6-6 teams will have to go bowl shopping outside of the conference. But even then they will have to wait in line behind 7-5 teams for all the other conferences.

Edit: From the NCAA:

Per NCAA Bylaw 30.9.2.1 an institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be selected for participation in a bowl game if 1) the institution or its conference has a primary contractual afﬁliation, which existed prior to the ﬁrst contest of the applicable season, with the sponsoring bowl organization. In the case of a conference contractual afﬁliation, all conference teams with winning records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game; and 2) all contratual afﬁliations have been fulﬁlled and all institutions with winning records have received bowl invitations (either through a contractual afﬁliation or as an at-large selection).

In the case of a conference contractual afﬁliation, all conference teams with winning
records must be placed in one of the contracted bowl games before any institution with
a record of six wins and six losses may be placed in a contracted bowl game. There
shall be no contingency agreements with other sponsoring bowl organizations intended
to enable an institution with a record of six wins and six losses to become eligible for
those contests.

**TxCycloneFan** · 11-01-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by wonkadog

I'll admit I'm obsessed. Try growing up in SE Iowa as an ISU fan. You will be scarred for life and develop an unhealthy hatred towards the Hawks.

There is nothing unhealthy about it. Having that crap crammed down our throats for years and years, you either accept it or reject it. I think we all know what the truth is and are better for it!

**SplitIdentity** · 11-01-2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by jumbopackage

According to TFA in the first post, ALL bowls have to take 7-5 teams over 6-6 teams, regardless of conference.

FTFA:

Edit: From the NCAA:

I stand corrected - well done.

Alright, so as a Hawkeye fan, I definitely want to hope for 7 wins, regardless of how the Big Ten plays out.

Nice find.

**jdoggivjc** · 11-01-2007, 11:46 AM

In other words, it may come down to Detroit or nothing for Iowa fans this year...

And we thought Shreveport (warm) and Boise (snow and mountains) were bad - at least we didn't have to hang out at Eminem's stomping grounds and tour automakers as a side attraction for our bowl games

**keepngoal** · 11-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

hang out at Eminem's stomping grounds and tour automakers as a side attraction for our bowl games

Boom went the dynamite!

-keep.

**Erik4Cy** · 11-01-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

In other words, it may come down to Detroit or nothing for Iowa fans this year...

And we thought Shreveport (warm) and Boise (snow and mountains) were bad - at least we didn't have to hang out at Eminem's stomping grounds and tour automakers as a side attraction for our bowl games

Meatwad: "Super Bowl is in Detroit this year..."
Frylock: "Oh boy...Detroit (Sarcastic)"