Hawks are happy with mediocrity!

[ISUFan22]

Big 12 has 3 teams with a legitimate shot at getting into the title game, two that are likely in should they win out (KU or OU).

How many does the Big 10 have? Does OSU control their own destiny should they beat Michigan or do they need help to get in?

[SplitIdentity]

Big 12 has 3 teams with a legitimate shot at getting into the title game, two that are likely in should they win out (KU or OU).

How many does the Big 10 have? Does OSU control their own destiny should they beat Michigan or do they need help to get in?

Right - but you also have to question some of the teams (Kansas' schedule, OU's loss to CU).

OU's loss to Colorado was worse than OSU's loss to Illinois, IMO. Kansas, as mentioned in another thread, has two wins over teams with 6 and 5 wins. Missouri is the best, but I doubt they'd get past the Big12 title game.

So I'm not sure at how legit those teams really are. Again, we'll find out when they play. It's easy to sit here and say "yeah they are" or "no they aren't", when neither really has anything much to back up their arguments.

[ISUFan22]

I seem to recall Wisconsin having a cake non-conference schedule and having a bit of trouble with it.

Just sayin'...

[cyclonenum1]

Teams beaten who are .500 or better

SEC -
Louisville (Kentucky) 5-5
K-State (Auburn) 5-5
Oklahoma State (Georgia) 5-5
Virginia Tech (LSU) 8-2

PAC 10 -
Tennessee (Cal) 7-3
Michigan (Oregon) 8-3

Big East -
Auburn (USF) 7-4
Mississippi State (WVA) 6-4
Oregon State(Cincinnati) 6-4
Maryland(WVA) 5-5
NC State(Louisville) 5-5

Big 12 -
Illinois (Missouri) 8-3
Iowa (Iowa State) 6-5
Miami (Oklahoma) 5-5
Wake Forrest (Nebraska) 6-4

ACC -
Alabama(Florida State)6-4
Northwestern(Duke) 6-5
Rutgers(Maryland) 6-4
UCONN (UVA) 8-2
Texas A&M(Miami) 6-5

Notre Dame-
UCLA(ND) 5-5

Big 10 -
Nobody.

Nice work! By the way LSU beat Va. Tech 48-7...and it wasn't even that close.

[jumbopackage]

Right - but you also have to question some of the teams (Kansas' schedule, OU's loss to CU).

OU's loss to Colorado was worse than OSU's loss to Illinois, IMO. Kansas, as mentioned in another thread, has two wins over teams with 6 and 5 wins. Missouri is the best, but I doubt they'd get past the Big12 title game.

So I'm not sure at how legit those teams really are. Again, we'll find out when they play. It's easy to sit here and say "yeah they are" or "no they aren't", when neither really has anything much to back up their arguments.

Oklahoma lost on the road by 3 after dominating the first half of the game. It's a bad loss, but it's pretty easy to see what happened. Colorado got hot in the second half, and Oklahoma was playing complacent football. It still took Colorado a last second field goal and a bit of luck to pull it out. This was fairly early in the conference season. I don't usually like to use that as an excuse, but nobody really knew what Colorado was just yet.

Ohio State got beat soundly by an unranked team at home. They rolled in as the pretty much undisputed #1 team in the nation, with one of the best home field advantages of any team in the nation. They had 6 conference games to look at Illinois, even playing against common opponents.

I don't know. I won't excuse Oklahoma, but that's a BAD loss by Ohio State.

Are Kansas' wins over Toledo and Central Michigan all that much worse than the non-conference wins by, say, Ohio state over Youngstown State and Akron (both games that looked pretty ugly)? Michigan over Notre Dame and Eastern Michigan? Sure they haven't played the "meat" of the conference schedule, but they are winning against teams that are no worse than the majority of the Big 10.

Missouri's only loss was to a top 25 team on the road, and it was a pretty competitive game.

I think any of the top 3 Big 12 teams have a legitimate argument for the NC game. There's no way you can say that about anyone, except maybe Ohio State, in the Big 10.

Like you said, time will tell on a lot of these teams, but I don't think there's any question right now

[CyIke]

I have to agree with the Ketelmeister,,,, the Hawks settle for being mediocre. The bottom-line is that they have not defeated a quality team (unless Illinois falls into that category) this year. I look at it this way, we're much better than when we played Kent State, and the Hawkeyes are slightly better when they opened up against Ball State (I think that's who they opened with). There is no doubt in my mind, that if the season started today, we would be Kent State, Toledo, and Iowa. UNI is a solid team, but I'd like our chances against them is we didn't turn the ball over four times. Nebraska is another potential win. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Missouri are probably losses. I'm not shoulda, coulda, woulda person, but I'm very upbeat about the 2008 season. Would I trade Chizek for Ferentz?????? not even for $1.7M. Go Cyclones, this week in Kansas and next season

[jdoggivjc]

I have to agree with the Ketelmeister,,,, the Hawks settle for being mediocre. The bottom-line is that they have not defeated a quality team (unless Illinois falls into that category) this year. I look at it this way, we're much better than when we played Kent State, and the Hawkeyes are slightly better when they opened up against Ball State (I think that's who they opened with). There is no doubt in my mind, that if the season started today, we would be Kent State, Toledo, and Iowa. UNI is a solid team, but I'd like our chances against them is we didn't turn the ball over four times. Nebraska is another potential win. Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Missouri are probably losses. I'm not shoulda, coulda, woulda person, but I'm very upbeat about the 2008 season. Would I trade Chizek for Ferentz?????? not even for $1.7M. Go Cyclones, this week in Kansas and next season

Iowa opened with Syracuse and Northern Illinois. Looked mediocre at best against both of those schools even in wins (the quality, or lack-thereof, of those two schools is the reason why they started 2-0. But try convincing Southern of that...). After those two games I was convinced we had a chance at Iowa as they couldn't even move the ball against NIU. Iowa has shown some improvement, especially at WR over the last couple of weeks, but if you were to compare the progress made by both Iowa and ISU now by playing that game over again, I think we win by a margin much larger than 15-13.

[jumbopackage]

Iowa opened with Syracuse and Northern Illinois. Looked mediocre at best against both of those schools even in wins (the quality, or lack-thereof, of those two schools is the reason why they started 2-0. But try convincing Southern of that...). After those two games I was convinced we had a chance at Iowa as they couldn't even move the ball against NIU. Iowa has shown some improvement, especially at WR over the last couple of weeks, but if you were to compare the progress made by both Iowa and ISU now by playing that game over again, I think we win by a margin much larger than 15-13.

The Iowa D has been fairly solid this year. I'll give them that. The O just can't score. Period. We play again right now, without the red zone woes we had against Iowa, and we win by 30 I think. We should have been up at LEAST 21 at the half in that game.

This is a bit bold, but I would say we would have a shot at the Big 10 championship this year if we were playing Iowa's schedule this year.

[ajk4st8]

Originally Posted by jumbopackage
Teams beaten who are .500 or better

SEC -
Louisville (Kentucky) 5-5
K-State (Auburn) 5-5
Oklahoma State (Georgia) 5-5
Virginia Tech (LSU) 8-2

PAC 10 -
Tennessee (Cal) 7-3
Michigan (Oregon) 8-3

Big East -
Auburn (USF) 7-4
Mississippi State (WVA) 6-4
Oregon State(Cincinnati) 6-4
Maryland(WVA) 5-5
NC State(Louisville) 5-5

Big 12 -
Illinois (Missouri) 8-3
Iowa (Iowa State) 6-5
Miami (Oklahoma) 5-5
Wake Forrest (Nebraska) 6-4

ACC -
Alabama(Florida State)6-4
Northwestern(Duke) 6-5
Rutgers(Maryland) 6-4
UCONN (UVA) 8-2
Texas A&M(Miami) 6-5

Notre Dame-
UCLA(ND) 5-5

Big 10 -
Nobody.





Amazing work... That stat tells it all.

Every year the Big 10 BEATS nobody in the non conf season... then they beat up on the Indiana, Northwestern and Minnesotas of the world.

All of a sudden you have a bunch of really average 7-9 win teams that go out and get smacked in bowl games. (see recent bowl history)

[CyBobby]

Minnesota is usually a decent team until mid oct. That team historically folds worse than mizzou does.

Right on Bro...If ISU played in the little 11 we'd be booking passage right now to the alamo bowl instead of sitting home as usual....minnie indy pu northwesterly and illinois...what a bunch of patsies every year for the hawks to play and half the time they cant even beat thesse BUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SplitIdentity]

The Iowa D has been fairly solid this year. I'll give them that. The O just can't score. Period. We play again right now, without the red zone woes we had against Iowa, and we win by 30 I think. We should have been up at LEAST 21 at the half in that game.

This is a bit bold, but I would say we would have a shot at the Big 10 championship this year if we were playing Iowa's schedule this year.

Sorry, as much as ISU has improved, beating Colorado and Kansas State don't mean you'd win a Big Ten championship - not even close. Not even close. Colorado and Indiana would be a push - Kansas State and Michigan State would be a push. Nebraska is more equivalent to Minnesota than they are to any other BT team, and Illinois and Missouri are a push (can be proved by on the field play). Texas Tech and Northwestern are very similar in terms of offensive fire power, but not defense - so I'll give that one to TT.

But to say that ISU would have faired any better in the BT than they did in the Big12 is kind of homer-ific. JMHO.

[jumbopackage]

Sorry, as much as ISU has improved, beating Colorado and Kansas State don't mean you'd win a Big Ten championship - not even close. Not even close. Colorado and Indiana would be a push - Kansas State and Michigan State would be a push. Nebraska is more equivalent to Minnesota than they are to any other BT team, and Illinois and Missouri are a push (can be proved by on the field play). Texas Tech and Northwestern are very similar in terms of offensive fire power, but not defense - so I'll give that one to TT.

But to say that ISU would have faired any better in the BT than they did in the Big12 is kind of homer-ific. JMHO.

Nebraska beat Wake Forrest, and didn't need 3 overtimes to beat Ball State. The only similarities are that both teams have fairly bad D's. Minnesota lost to a freaking 1-AA team this year.

Texas Tech and Northwestern. Are you serious? Texas Tech is #1 in total offense and passing offense, and #6 in the nation in scoring offense. Northwestern is #13, #18, and #69 in those categories.

Let's compare other opponents:
Illinois vs. Missouri
Oklahoma vs. Penn State
Texas vs. Wisconsin

Seriously. I'd trade any of those games in a heartbeat.

[CYVADER]

Sorry, as much as ISU has improved, beating Colorado and Kansas State don't mean you'd win a Big Ten championship - not even close. Not even close. Colorado and Indiana would be a push - Kansas State and Michigan State would be a push. Nebraska is more equivalent to Minnesota than they are to any other BT team, and Illinois and Missouri are a push (can be proved by on the field play). Texas Tech and Northwestern are very similar in terms of offensive fire power, but not defense - so I'll give that one to TT.

But to say that ISU would have faired any better in the BT than they did in the Big12 is kind of homer-ific. JMHO.

explain to me again why you come on here and do this? on second thought, don't-i grow tired of seeing your same old garbage posted on here.

[SplitIdentity]

Nebraska beat Wake Forrest, and didn't need 3 overtimes to beat Ball State. The only similarities are that both teams have fairly bad D's. Minnesota lost to a freaking 1-AA team this year.

Texas Tech and Northwestern. Are you serious? Texas Tech is #1 in total offense and passing offense, and #6 in the nation in scoring offense. Northwestern is #13, #18, and #69 in those categories.

Let's compare other opponents:
Illinois vs. Missouri
Oklahoma vs. Penn State
Texas vs. Wisconsin

Seriously. I'd trade any of those games in a heartbeat.

1st, ISU lost to a D-IAA opponent as well - so maybe we compare Minnesota and ISU? If your argument is that Minnesota can't be compared to another team because they lost to a D-IAA, then so be it.

Also, Illinois was a fumble away from beating Missouri.

I'd take PSU over OU, sure. But Texas has been off and on, and so has UW. Both are very comparable this season. My point is, you're getting a little ahead of yourself by proclaiming ISU would contend for a Big Ten title - when they couldn't take care of business against a terrible Nebraska team, and needed a HUGE 2nd half effort to beat a bad Colorado team.

ISU may be able to beat Iowa - since they did earlier in the season, I'm not going to argue this. However, play the game again, it's not a "gimme" and ISU wouldn't win by 30 points. If the ISU that's playing now could play the Iowa that played then, it would be a much wider margin. But, if ISU played like they have been playing more recently, they wouldn't have lost to Kent State, Northern Iowa, at Toledo, and probably would have beaten Nebraska.

At the same token, if Iowa could play the ISU team back then with the Iowa team that is playing now, it would be Iowa's game to lose (again). But arguments like these are dumb, because that's not how it works. Iowa and ISU are improving, Iowa just benefited from a few wins against mediocre OOC teams. But ISU's OOC schedule wasn't that much more difficult than Iowas - Kent State, Northern Iowa, and Toledo are no better than Northern Illinois, Syracuse, and Western Michigan. In fact, WMU smacked Toledo around pretty good, and NIU/KSU are both bottom of the MAC.

Anyways, I guess to get back on topic, both Iowa and ISU have improved, but neither team right now would be in contention for any kind of title. IMO, Iowa is the better team right now, but since ISU has the win on the field, that's not something I can prove, nor do I intend to try. This is just my opinion based on record, what I've seen since the Iowa-ISU game, amongst other things.

[SplitIdentity]

explain to me again why you come on here and do this? on second thought, don't-i grow tired of seeing your same old garbage posted on here.

I don't know why you feel the need to respond to my posts if you don't like what I'm saying?

If you can't handle a debate, don't read it. Nobody here is being disrespectful, we're just discussing our thoughts about what's going on with our teams. If you don't want to see my "garbage posts", maybe you should stay away from the in-state rivals forum?