Hillary's Dirty Tricks?

**Cyclonepride** · 11-19-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Ok, I just listened to a snippet of her speach today, and I actually caught myself yelling at the TV. Seriously how can anyone vote for this piece of trash? She was blaming bush for the housing crisis. I mean in what alternate universe does she live in that it is the presidents fault that people borrowed over their heads? No one can seriously support this candidate.

I find myself doing that too. I think they think we are stupid. That's my only explanation. Hillary's speeches go something like this........blame, blame, blame, I'll give you money, blame, I'll give you money, blame, blame.

**Stormin** · 11-20-2007, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Ok, I just listened to a snippet of her speach today, and I actually caught myself yelling at the TV. Seriously how can anyone vote for this piece of trash? She was blaming bush for the housing crisis. I mean in what alternate universe does she live in that it is the presidents fault that people borrowed over their heads? No one can seriously support this candidate.

I get the same reaction initially when listening to GW Bush. But then after listening to him murder the English language with pained expression on his face, I begin to laugh. But then the memory that Bush is our President makes me want to cry. If Bush can win the White House twice, then I can see people voting for Hillary. But I still can not see them voting for Giuliani. Talk about creepy. Romney isn't any better. Romney makes John Kerrey look consistent and a non-flip-flopper.

**alaskaguy** · 11-20-2007, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Stormin

I get the same reaction initially when listening to GW Bush. But then after listening to him murder the English language with pained expression on his face, I begin to laugh. But then the memory that Bush is our President makes me want to cry. If Bush can win the White House twice, then I can see people voting for Hillary. But I still can not see them voting for Giuliani. Talk about creepy. Romney isn't any better. Romney makes John Kerrey look consistent and a non-flip-flopper.

I get the same reaction when I listen to any of the declared Republican or Democratic Presidential candidates.

**iceclone** · 11-20-2007, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by alaskaguy

I get the same reaction when I listen to any of the declared Republican or Democratic Presidential candidates.

Well said. We need better candidates for all. It’s ridiculous that the choice is always between the better of two evils.

**Stormin** · 11-20-2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by alaskaguy

I get the same reaction when I listen to any of the declared Republican or Democratic Presidential candidates.

Tell me what is wrong with Joe Biden? I think that he is one of the better or best candidates in both fields. I think the Dems have a much stronger field than the Repubs by far. The way the Repubs have been running, if you like GW Bush then vote for the GOP. I think that Bush has done an atrocious job. I think his Cabinet appointments have been terrible for the most part. Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Brown (head of FEMA), etc. I used to like McCain, but since he has caved in to pressure from the far right, I have lost respect for him. He makes John Kerry look resolute and firm in his positions. Same with Romney, and Giuliani. Giuliani is all hype. You would think the New York Firefighters and Police would support him......they don't. Sending thousands of workers to their impending deaths by declaring the 9/11 site to be safe from dangerous residues was irresponsible. Giuliani was washed up before 9/11 and he has ridden that tide for all it has been worth. It is time to pull back the curtain and reveal him for what he is.

**alaskaguy** · 11-20-2007, 09:32 AM

The damaging information that the Clinton camp has been "supposedly" sitting on is that when Obama was an Illinois state senator he engaged in a real estate deal that benefited him in exchange for legislative favors.

In addition, another piece of dirt has surfaced in regards to Hillary, or at least her campaign organization; her "secret" donor list isn't all that secret as long as the right price is paid for it.

**alaskaguy** · 11-20-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Tell me what is wrong with Joe Biden? I think that he is one of the better or best candidates in both fields. I think the Dems have a much stronger field than the Repubs by far. The way the Repubs have been running, if you like GW Bush then vote for the GOP. I think that Bush has done an atrocious job. I think his Cabinet appointments have been terrible for the most part. Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Brown (head of FEMA), etc. I used to like McCain, but since he has caved in to pressure from the far right, I have lost respect for him. He makes John Kerry look resolute and firm in his positions. Same with Romney, and Giuliani. Giuliani is all hype. You would think the New York Firefighters and Police would support him......they don't. Sending thousands of workers to their impending deaths by declaring the 9/11 site to be safe from dangerous residues was irresponsible. Giuliani was washed up before 9/11 and he has ridden that tide for all it has been worth. It is time to pull back the curtain and reveal him for what he is.

I'll attempt to answer your first question; what is wrong with Joe Biden?

I find myself disagreeing with many of the votes he has cast in the Senate. Specifically Biden is out of sync with my views on free trade, gun control, immigration, job related issues, social security, and tax reform.

It should be noted that I find myself disagreeing with every candidate on a number of significant issues. If I wanted to generalize, I can't stomach the foreign policy views of the Republican candidates (other than Ron Paul) and find myself in disagreement with the Democratic candidates when I examine their economic platforms. Finally, there are a number of issues that Ron Paul supports that trouble me.

So as iceclone stated I will make a decision on the lesser of evils.

**Incyte** · 11-20-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Stormin

Tell me what is wrong with Joe Biden?

The plagiarism allegations of the past lead me to question his ethical boundaries.

**brianhos** · 11-20-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Incyte

The plagiarism allegations of the past lead me to question his ethical boundaries.

Like any of the rest of this group have ethics?

**Incyte** · 11-20-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Like any of the rest of this group have ethics?

Good point. I should rephrase: They fact that he got caught plagiarizing leads me to believe that he's not smart enough to hide future ethical transgressions.

**Stormin** · 11-20-2007, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

The plagiarism allegations of the past lead me to question his ethical boundaries.

What about the ethical boundaries of a Vice President who always refuses to testify before Congress or a Grand Jury under oath?

If Biden's plagiarism allegations bother you, what about GW Bush's drug use, leading to the No-show for his flight physical, the DUI conviction that wasn't made known to the public that was discovered and explained away as a "youthful indiscretion" by a 27 year old.

**Cyclonepride** · 11-20-2007, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

What about the ethical boundaries of a Vice President who always refuses to testify before Congress or a Grand Jury under oath?

When Congress tries to do something that is not within their powers to do, or when they try to usurp a power that they do not possess, I think it is the duty of the person in that position to deny them.

**Incyte** · 11-20-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

What about the ethical boundaries of a Vice President who always refuses to testify before Congress or a Grand Jury under oath?

If Biden's plagiarism allegations bother you, what about GW Bush's drug use, leading to the No-show for his flight physical, the DUI conviction that wasn't made known to the public that was discovered and explained away as a "youthful indiscretion" by a 27 year old.

You mean the DUI that came out 3 days before the election? Whoever leaked that must play by "Karl Rove's Playbook" as you put it.

Disclaimer: The concept of "Karl Rove's Playbook" was developed by STORMIN and INCYTE hereby attributes both the name and development of said concept to STORMIN.

See, avoiding plaigiarism isn't that hard.

**Stormin** · 11-20-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

You mean the DUI that came out 3 days before the election? Whoever leaked that must play by "Karl Rove's Playbook" as you put it.

Disclaimer: The concept of "Karl Rove's Playbook" was developed by STORMIN and INCYTE hereby attributes both the name and development of said concept to STORMIN.

See, avoiding plaigiarism isn't that hard.

Actually I DID NOTinvent the term "Karl Rove's Playbook". The term has been used numerous times. Do a Google search. So for you to attribute both the name and development of said concept to Stormin would be erroneous. And I Never claimed to have originated the term so I have not committed plagiarism.

**alaskaguy** · 11-20-2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

What about the ethical boundaries of a Vice President who always refuses to testify before Congress or a Grand Jury under oath?

If Biden's plagiarism allegations bother you, what about GW Bush's drug use, leading to the No-show for his flight physical, the DUI conviction that wasn't made known to the public that was discovered and explained away as a "youthful indiscretion" by a 27 year old.

I'm not sure where we draw the line. Should Obama be subject to criticism because he was a goof off in high school, experimenting with drugs and alcohol?

Link:
Union Leader

My personal feelings is that I can largely forgive someone for not being a model citizen when they were younger.