Jon Miller

**ajk4st8** · 12-10-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Have Iowa and ISU MBB ever been this bad at the same time? There is your answer

I dont know.

I do know that Iowa and ISU have the worst guards I have ever seen.
Haluska and Peterson ... horrible

Freeman and Peterson.... HORRIBLE

JJ can shoot SOMETIMES, but other than that he is worthless.

**JonDMiller** · 12-10-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I dont know.

I do know that Iowa and ISU have the worst guards I have ever seen.
Haluska and Peterson ... horrible

Freeman and Peterson.... HORRIBLE

JJ can shoot SOMETIMES, but other than that he is worthless.

If you had Freeman and Peterson, and healthy, you would fight for an NCAA bid.

**'Clones Fan** · 12-10-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

In most years, I don't disagree with you. This year, and I am on the message boards for both teams every single day, and I talk to fans from both schools every single day, and I take calls and get emails from fans every single day, this year, the Iowa-ISU dual meet was much more discussed and talked about.

Go back here on the boards leading up to the Iowa-ISU MBB game Saturday, and see for yourself. It was the same everywhere.

Jon, this year is the perfect example. Both basketball teams are terrible, Iowa is more terrible, and both wrestling teams are great. Even in a year like this, basketballs popularity dwarfs wrestling.

I have no problem with wrestling being discussed,l it obviously should, but comeon, you are just looking for something positive to talk about for Iowa, just admit it.

And, you must not have been reading Cyclone Fanatic, because there is at least 10-1 more posts for basketball for wrestling.

**'Clones Fan** · 12-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

If you had Freeman and Peterson, and healthy, you would fight for an NCAA bid.

Totally agree here Jon. Sean is a poor excuse for a D1 player. Peterson is starting to look competent. I wont go further than that though.

**cybsball20** · 12-10-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

In most years, I don't disagree with you. This year, and I am on the message boards for both teams every single day, and I talk to fans from both schools every single day, and I take calls and get emails from fans every single day, this year, the Iowa-ISU dual meet was much more discussed and talked about.

Go back here on the boards leading up to the Iowa-ISU MBB game Saturday, and see for yourself. It was the same everywhere.

There may have been alot of discussion about the meet but I can assure you the number of people doing the discussing wasn't very large. I wonder how many people don't even click on the wrestling threads? I have tried to like wrestling, believe me I have. I had friends that wrestled at Iowa State and went to every home meet/match/game whatever my first year at ISU and still don't like it...

**trevn** · 12-10-2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Have Iowa and ISU MBB ever been this bad at the same time? There is your answer

Probably...but there are a ton of storylines that I personally would be interested in, and I'm sure a lot of people on this board would like these things discussed. Like maybe this...Iowa has a new coach in his first big in-state rivalry game (with all due respect to UNI and Drake, lord knows they beat us down pretty good). There's a story. How about the first matchup of GMac and Lickliter, how did it go, any interesting observations from the stands about the chess match those two played? There's a story. How about the Tony Freeman situation, will he redshirt this year, did he hurt his foot again at UNI or is it just sore? There's a story. How much does Tony Freeman actually mean to this Hawkeye team? Where did Jake Kelly's performance come from and do you expect to see more? How about Coach Lickliter saying something to the Iowa fanbase to get their butts to Carver and support their team? And that just scratches the surface from the Hawkeye side of things. How about GMac getting the in-state losing streak monkey off his back? How about Wesley Johnson looking better coming off an injury? He won't redshirt now will he? How about Jiri Hubalek finally *hopefully* waking up and playing with a purpose? How about Diante Garrett looking like he's wanting to play some good defense and making a great case to put him in the starting lineup? What can either team learn from this win/loss?

There's plenty to talk about, and I for one would care, but for the most part the media has taken the perceived apathy of the fan bases and have become apathetic themselves (although I disagree with the fanbase apathy from the ISU standpoint, I think ISU bball fans are doing their part and showing up to games, not the case with Iowa this year so far for whatever reason, not a jab, just an observation).

**Cydkar** · 12-10-2007, 04:03 PM

Iowa fans are apathetic therefore ISU fans must be. Our team is bad but we still support them and want to discuss them. If Iowa would have won the game I bet Jon would have spent more time on it. Just a theory.

**4429 mcc** · 12-10-2007, 04:03 PM

DING DING DING....we have a winner.

**snowcraig2.0** · 12-10-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by 'Clones Fan

Totally agree here Jon. Sean is a poor excuse for a D1 player. Peterson is starting to look competent. I wont go further than that though.

Good, because your post was already a waste of time.

**dustinal** · 12-10-2007, 04:17 PM

Guys, he's the stinkin' founder of HawkeyeNation.com. That doesn't exactly make him beholden to ISU. And he's not doing a newscast, so he's not obligated to be "fair and balanced," whatever that's worth these days.

It seems like you expected him to come on the radio and say, "You know what? Screw Iowa. I'm an ISU fan now!" just because we won the basketball game.

I'll repeat what I said before: If you were an Iowa fan and had a radio show where you could talk about pretty much whatever you want, why would you NOT talk a bunch about your wrestling team beating the number one team in the country--who also happens to be your in-state rival--in their own building?

And if they had beaten us in the basketball game, of course he would have talked more about it. It would have been a pretty damn good weekend for Iowa.

Frankly, I'm amazed he gets as much attention on these boards as he does. You guys keep bringing him up, and that only feeds the fire.

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**'Clones Fan** · 12-10-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Good, because your post was already a waste of time.

Yeah, it may be a waste of time, but your buddy Sean sucks. FACT.

**snowcraig2.0** · 12-10-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by dustinal

Guys, he's the stinkin' founder of HawkeyeNation.com. That doesn't exactly make him beholden to ISU. And he's not doing a newscast, so he's not obligated to be "fair and balanced," whatever that's worth these days.

It seems like you expected him to come on the radio and say, "You know what? Screw Iowa. I'm an ISU fan now!" just because we won the basketball game.

I'll repeat what I said before: If you were an Iowa fan and had a radio show where you could talk about pretty much whatever you want, why would you NOT talk a bunch about your wrestling team beating the number one team in the country--who also happens to be your in-state rival--in their own building?

And if they had beaten us in the basketball game, of course he would have talked more about it. It would have been a pretty damn good weekend for Iowa.

Frankly, I'm amazed he gets as much attention on these boards as he does. You guys keep bringing him up, and that only feeds the fire.

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Great point.

**ISUFan22** · 12-10-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by dustinal

Guys, he's the stinkin' founder of HawkeyeNation.com. That doesn't exactly make him beholden to ISU. And he's not doing a newscast, so he's not obligated to be "fair and balanced," whatever that's worth these days.

It seems like you expected him to come on the radio and say, "You know what? Screw Iowa. I'm an ISU fan now!" just because we won the basketball game.

I'll repeat what I said before: If you were an Iowa fan and had a radio show where you could talk about pretty much whatever you want, why would you NOT talk a bunch about your wrestling team beating the number one team in the country--who also happens to be your in-state rival--in their own building?

And if they had beaten us in the basketball game, of course he would have talked more about it. It would have been a pretty damn good weekend for Iowa.

Frankly, I'm amazed he gets as much attention on these boards as he does. You guys keep bringing him up, and that only feeds the fire.

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Well said.