Chinese Hacker Spies

[jbhtexas]

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West.

The Chinese kill our pets, poison our kids with lead, steal our technology, and the West just continues to pour money and capital into China...

It's not suprising to me that the Chinese have no appreciation for intellectual property. In the West, our livelihood and our means of support (in the big picture) comes from our innovation and creative development. Innovation fuels new companies, which spwan jobs, etc. In "old" communist China, the government provided the means of support. In the "new" communist China, the livelihood and means of support is generated by "imported" Western technology.

This situation will not change until China is actually innovating something, and experiencing the cost of innovating, and the losses associated with having their innovations stolen. Why should China care if Western technology is stolen and pirated? It doesn't cost them anything or hurt them in anyway. China knows that the West is so desparate for access to the vast Chinese consumer market that the West will keep chasing the carrot and pumping in technology.

[iceclone]

Buy an mp3/video player and load it up with episodes of Heroes or other tv shows and movies. Get up and walk around the cabin frequently. Hopefully they will put you close to someone that is interesting to talk to as well. Basically anything to take your mind off the flight.

Good advice. You can also check out the entertainment schedule for your airline beforehand, and depending on the plane, you may have your own tv in the seat back in front of you (very likely). I usually find that out of 10 or so movies, there are only a couple that I find even mildly interesting

[iceclone]

The Chinese kill our pets, poison our kids with lead, steal our technology, and the West just continues to pour money and capital into China...

It's not suprising to me that the Chinese have no appreciation for intellectual property. In the West, our livelihood and our means of support (in the big picture) comes from our innovation and creative development. Innovation fuels new companies, which spwan jobs, etc. In "old" communist China, the government provided the means of support. In the "new" communist China, the livelihood and means of support is generated by "imported" Western technology.

This situation will not change until China is actually innovating something, and experiencing the cost of innovating, and the losses associated with having their innovations stolen. Why should China care if Western technology is stolen and pirated? It doesn't cost them anything or hurt them in anyway. China knows that the West is so desparate for access to the vast Chinese consumer market that the West will keep chasing the carrot and pumping in technology.

Talk to most Chinese people, and visit any Chinese museum, and you'll 'learn' that the Chinese invented everything The cultural issues I was referring to go back way further than communism.

[iceclone]

Part of country or companies?

tentative schedule -

APRIL 19 Sat Des Moines: Departure for Beijing (12 Noon)
20 Sun Beijing: Arrival in Beijing (3:00 PM)_

North China: Cultural, historical, and political context: Beijing
Beijing is China’s capital city and political center, with a rich history

21 Mon Tienanmen Square, Forbidden City, Tientan (Temple of Heaven)
22 Tues Great Wall @ Badaling, Ming Tombs à bus to Tianjin

North China: Industrial and Logistics Center: Tianjin
Tianjin is China’s third largest city and a major industrial center in the lower northeast

23 Wed Tour Economic Dev Zone, Port Authority, John Deere, Motorola
24 Thurs Wal-Mart, Carrefour; Pair-off with Hebei University of Technology MBA students
25 Fri Departure for Shanghai à (9:30 AM flight)

East Central China: Commercial and Financial Center: Shanghai
Shanghai is the heart of China’s commercial and financial sectors. It sits at the mouth of the Yangtze River and anchors a vast interior region of medium and light industries.

26 Sat Shanghai: AM: BBDO Ad agency; PM: City Tour
27 Sun Shanghai: AM: Norvatis; PM: Free Time
28 Mon Shanghai: AM: American Chamber of Commerce; PM: Departure for Shenzhen (12:00 Noon flight)

South China: Light Industry Center: Shenzhen and Hong Kong
The Pearl River Delta, at the southern tip of China, is the light industry capital of China. The majority of manufactured consumer goods exported to Europe and the US comes from this region. Shenzhen and Hong Kong are twin cities.

29 Tues Shenzhen: company visit – Midea, China’s largest retail chain of consumer electronic goods
30 Wed Shenzhen: AM: Company visit; PM Departure for Hong Kong
May 1 Thurs Hong Kong: AM: Kwai-Chung Container Port;
2 Fri Hong Kong: Deloitte Touche Tomatsu or Accenture
3 Sat Hong Kong: Departure for USA (12:45 PM flight)
Arrival in Des Moines (6:00 PM)

This is great schedule and you will see a lot of different parts of China. Importantly it ends in Guangdong province, which has the best food. Always save the best for last

[4VR4CY]

Anyone have a link to an average commerical plane that flies over seas? I just e-mailed and they are still getting bids from airlines for our trip, so they don't know exactly what/who we will be flying to/from China.

Anyone have a portable DVD player that they want to loan me for 2 weeks during the trip?

[jdoggivjc]

This is great schedule and you will see a lot of different parts of China. Importantly it ends in Guangdong province, which has the best food. Always save the best for last

Yes, they raise the best cats and mice in the Guangdong province...

[iceclone]

Anyone have a link to an average commerical plane that flies over seas? I just e-mailed and they are still getting bids from airlines for our trip, so they don't know exactly what/who we will be flying to/from China.

Anyone have a portable DVD player that they want to loan me for 2 weeks during the trip?

I've flown on either Boeing 747 (Boeing 747 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) or Boeing 777 (Boeing 777 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) on such routes.

[4VR4CY]

We will probably fly coach, but if we got business class, that would be sweet. Those seats look much more comfortable. I didn't see any layouts of seats/cabins. Am I blind?

[alaskaguy]

How many hours are involved to travel to China?

Under the best case scenario it takes me 12 hours of travel time just to fly to the lower 48; Nome to Anchorage, Anchorage to Seattle, and Seattle to where ever.

And it is fairly common that a lack of timely connecting flights necesitates long airport layovers extending the travel time to 24 hours or even more.

There are only three flights daily between Nome and Anchorage. Its not unusual for the Nome airport to close due to fog or a blizzard. Canceled flights between Nome and Anchorage cause additional havoc with my travel plans.

But flights to the lower 48 don't compare to some of the remote areas I visit. I once traveled to Little Diomede, Alaska. I had planned on returning to Nome the same day but ended up marooned in Little Diomede for a week due to the weather (white-out conditions). Note the landing strip for Little Diomede is the frozen ice of the Bering Sea and polar bears are not an uncommon site.

There aren't restaurants, lodging, etc. in these remote locations so I pack grocercies, a sleeping bag, etc. I end up sleeping in schools, personal residences, libraries.

[iceclone]

How many hours are involved to travel to China?

Under the best case scenario it takes me 12 hours of travel time just to fly to the lower 48; Nome to Anchorage, Anchorage to Seattle, and Seattle to where ever.

And it is fairly common that a lack of timely connecting flights necesitates long airport layovers extending the travel time to 24 hours or even more.

There are only three flights daily between Nome and Anchorage. Its not unusual for the Nome airport to close due to fog or a blizzard. Canceled flights between Nome and Anchorage cause additional havoc with my travel plans.

But flights to the lower 48 don't compare to some of the remote areas I visit. I once traveled to Little Diomede, Alaska. I had planned on returning to Nome the same day but ended up marooned in Little Diomede for a week due to the weather (white-out conditions). Note the landing strip for Little Diomede is the frozen ice of the Bering Sea and polar bears are not an uncommon site.

There aren't restaurants, lodging, etc. in these remote locations so I pack grocercies, a sleeping bag, etc. I end up sleeping in schools, personal residences, libraries.

As long as you are not clandestinely meeting people over on Big Diomede, we’re not worried about you

BTW, the most depressing moment of my first flight to Asia: The captain announced that if we looked out the window we could see Anchorage; and I realized that after being in the air for what seemed like forever, we were still in the US! (And not anywhere close to Nome, yet.)

[alaskaguy]

As long as you are not clandestinely meeting people over on Big Diomede, we’re not worried about you

Interestingly nobody inhabits Big Diomede other than a small Russian security contingent. And Big Diomede is many times the size of Little Diomede. I brazenly/stupidly walked across the international date line into Russian territory to get a better view of Big Diomede. The Russians like to nab people that get to close to their island and hold them captive for ransom (or at least that is the story I have been told). Fortunately, no Russians intercepted me.

I have have traveled extensively. For the most part, my most memorable journeys have involved traveling to remote areas that civilization has largely bypassed.

[iceclone]

We will probably fly coach, but if we got business class, that would be sweet. Those seats look much more comfortable. I didn't see any layouts of seats/cabins. Am I blind?

The layout of the seats/cabins is largely determined by the individual airline, so it cannot be specified in general.

[iceclone]

Interestingly nobody inhabits Big Diomede other than a small Russian security contingent. And Big Diomede is many times the size of Little Diomede. I brazenly/stupidly walked across the international date line into Russian territory to get a better view of Big Diomede. The Russians like to nab people that get to close to their island and hold them captive for ransom (or at least that is the story I have been told). Fortunately, no Russians intercepted me.

I have have traveled extensively. For the most part, my most memorable journeys have involved traveling to remote areas that civilization has largely bypassed.

Great story! I can visualize you wandering around the ice, even though I don't know you

[cmoneyr]

Great story! I can visualize you wandering around the ice, even though I don't know you

How did this thread go from Chinese Hacker Spies to creepy man love?

[bos]

How did this thread go from Chinese Hacker Spies to creepy man love?

This whole site has been plagued with creepy man love. You get used to it. =)