Chinese Hacker Spies

alaskaguy · 12-03-2007, 10:44 PM

Chinese state-sponsored cyber espionage is on the rise. Rolls Royce and Royal Dutch Shell are among hundreds of companies that have reportedly been breached by state-sponsored Chinese hackers. Unlike most of the data breaches in the news, these hackers aren't after customer or employee data: They are stealing companies’ intellectual property.

Link:
Secrets of Shell and Rolls-Royce come under attack from China’s spies - Times Online

Cyclonepride · 12-04-2007, 07:28 AM

Anyone who favors socialized medicine, or socialized anything should take note. China's system, like the former Soviet Union, has a real problem coming up with their own technologies and innovation. The most effective way to make up for this natural failing of their economic system is to steal what they cannot produce themselves.

TykeClone · 12-04-2007, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Anyone who favors socialized medicine, or socialized anything should take note. China's system, like the former Soviet Union, has a real problem coming up with their own technologies and innovation. The most effective way to make up for this natural failing of their economic system is to steal what they cannot produce themselves.

Why would they steal it when we are falling over ourselves trying to give them the technology when they manufacture stuff.

Cyclonepride · 12-04-2007, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by TykeClone

Why would they steal it when we are falling over ourselves trying to give them the technology when they manufacture stuff.

True, there seems to be undue Chinese influence that we have allowed to happen, and we do give them way more technical information than we should. However, they do need to steal anything that we won't give over freely.

alaskaguy · 12-04-2007, 09:43 AM

Do American corporations hack/steal/spy on one another?

iceclone · 12-04-2007, 09:46 AM

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West. I was struck by the fact that when walking down streets in Shanghai, merchants were openly advertising their wares as being bootlegged and knock-offs. (These were actual respectable businesses with large storefronts, not just some guy on the street.) This was clearly a selling point to be put in print, not something to be ashamed of or to hide. On a larger scale, they actually construct the factories producing the knockoff right next to the factories producing the original. It’s not an underground activity; it is totally in the open.

I would not attribute this to socialism or capitalism. The Chinese economy is now probably more capitalist than socialist, but more than anything, it is Chinese. Western ideas may have some influence on how things are packaged, but for the most part, Chinese government is just a continuation of millennia of tradition.

bostinelosd · 12-04-2007, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by iceclone

This may be only marginally relevant to the original post, but it is relevant the rest of the comments. My observation has been that Chinese culture just doesn’t have the same view of intellectual property as we do in the West. I was struck by the fact that when walking down streets in Shanghai, merchants were openly advertising their wares as being bootlegged and knock-offs. (These were actual respectable businesses with large storefronts, not just some guy on the street.) This was clearly a selling point to be put in print, not something to be ashamed of or to hide. On a larger scale, they actually construct the factories producing the knockoff right next to the factories producing the original. It’s not an underground activity; it is totally in the open.

I would not attribute this to socialism or capitalism. The Chinese economy is now probably more capitalist than socialist, but more than anything, it is Chinese. Western ideas may have some influence on how things are packaged, but for the most part, Chinese government is just a continuation of millennia of tradition.

Do you think the Chinese culture is a more "Us/We" and the American culture is more "I/Me" I feel that way.

alaskaguy · 12-05-2007, 12:02 AM

On a somewhat related note......

Microsoft is shifting more of its staffing for "research engineering" to China. Currently they have approximately 3,000 research engineers that are in China and are planning on employing 33 percent more engineers in China by the end of the fiscal year to boost research and development.

Link:
Bloomberg.com: Asia

4VR4CY · 12-05-2007, 07:33 AM

I will be in China in late April/early May for school (MBA). We are visiting numerous businesses. I can't wait to look into this more.

iceclone · 12-05-2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by 4VR4CY

I will be in China in late April/early May for school (MBA). We are visiting numerous businesses. I can't wait to look into this more.

Where will you be visiting?

4VR4CY · 12-05-2007, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by iceclone

Where will you be visiting?

Part of country or companies?

tentative schedule -

APRIL 19 Sat Des Moines: Departure for Beijing (12 Noon)
20 Sun Beijing: Arrival in Beijing (3:00 PM)_

North China: Cultural, historical, and political context: Beijing
Beijing is China’s capital city and political center, with a rich history

21 Mon Tienanmen Square, Forbidden City, Tientan (Temple of Heaven)
22 Tues Great Wall @ Badaling, Ming Tombs à bus to Tianjin

North China: Industrial and Logistics Center: Tianjin
Tianjin is China’s third largest city and a major industrial center in the lower northeast

23 Wed Tour Economic Dev Zone, Port Authority, John Deere, Motorola
24 Thurs Wal-Mart, Carrefour; Pair-off with Hebei University of Technology MBA students
25 Fri Departure for Shanghai à (9:30 AM flight)

East Central China: Commercial and Financial Center: Shanghai
Shanghai is the heart of China’s commercial and financial sectors. It sits at the mouth of the Yangtze River and anchors a vast interior region of medium and light industries.

26 Sat Shanghai: AM: BBDO Ad agency; PM: City Tour
27 Sun Shanghai: AM: Norvatis; PM: Free Time
28 Mon Shanghai: AM: American Chamber of Commerce; PM: Departure for Shenzhen (12:00 Noon flight)

South China: Light Industry Center: Shenzhen and Hong Kong
The Pearl River Delta, at the southern tip of China, is the light industry capital of China. The majority of manufactured consumer goods exported to Europe and the US comes from this region. Shenzhen and Hong Kong are twin cities.

29 Tues Shenzhen: company visit – Midea, China’s largest retail chain of consumer electronic goods
30 Wed Shenzhen: AM: Company visit; PM Departure for Hong Kong
May 1 Thurs Hong Kong: AM: Kwai-Chung Container Port;
2 Fri Hong Kong: Deloitte Touche Tomatsu or Accenture
3 Sat Hong Kong: Departure for USA (12:45 PM flight)
Arrival in Des Moines (6:00 PM)

bostinelosd · 12-05-2007, 10:19 AM

I want lots of pictures! I will probably never get the chance to do something like this so I will live through you!

4VR4CY · 12-05-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by bostinelosd

I want lots of pictures! I will probably never get the chance to do something like this so I will live through you!

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

bostinelosd · 12-05-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by 4VR4CY

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

Buy an mp3/video player and load it up with episodes of Heroes or other tv shows and movies. Get up and walk around the cabin frequently. Hopefully they will put you close to someone that is interesting to talk to as well. Basically anything to take your mind off the flight.

iceclone · 12-05-2007, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by 4VR4CY

I feel that this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for me as well. Believe me, I do not take it for granted at all!

I need to start a list of what to take.... Camera - check

But, I have never been on a flight that long (I haven't even looked to see how long it will be). So, I have no idea what to expect. I am a little claustrophobic, so I don't know if I should just drug myself the entire way (small seats, packed in) or if it will be comfortable. Anyone know?

The flight time depends on where in the US you fly out of, but in any scenerio it is LONG. Since you'll be on a large plane, it is a little less claustrophobic than for most domestic flights (higher ceiling). How much space you have in front of you depends on the airline, and how much you are paying for the ticket