Tradition

URBCLONE · 10-24-2006, 01:32 PM

With all due respect to Michael Bradley, I take exception to his notion that ISU is fated for nothing because of its current situation. As others have pointed out (CycloneWorld) usually it is having one winning coach who creates a tradition. Bowden at FSU, Bryant at Alabama, Fry at Iowa etc.

Winning = tradition. So we should continue to accept losing because ISU has no tradition thereby ensuring that no tradition will ever be created?

Cyclonepride · 10-24-2006, 02:33 PM

Five bowls in six years is the start of tradition in my eyes. This season has sucked, but ISU has been starting to receive national attention for the first time ever. Why else would ABC pick up the Nebraska game? Because it merited national attention. Most experts pencilled in that game as a very significant game in the Big 12 North. As it turned out, not so much.

But my point is, McCarney has taken the program to a level that merits national attention, and I believe he can take it even further, given the time, and an offensive coordinator with some imagination.

Al_4_State · 10-24-2006, 02:45 PM

You probably believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and that the world is flat...

Cyclonepride · 10-24-2006, 02:51 PM

No, I believe that "Santa Claus" could be compared to some people's vision of the next coach. A figure of pure fantasy who will arrive out of nowhere and take ISU to the rarified air of the USC's and Ohio St.'s of the world.

benjay · 10-24-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

No, I believe that "Santa Claus" could be compared to some people's vision of the next coach. A figure of pure fantasy who will arrive out of nowhere and take ISU to the rarified air of the USC's and Ohio St.'s of the world.

Nicely done.

cycloneworld · 10-24-2006, 03:06 PM

You are right cyclonepride.

If a change is made, then there will be some risk that the coach will tank and we will wish for Mac back. See Iowa with Steve Alford and Tom Davis. I don't know how much risk but there will be some...no doubt about it.

I trust Jamie Pollard to make the right decision.

thunderdave · 10-24-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Five bowls in six years is the start of tradition in my eyes. This season has sucked, but ISU has been starting to receive national attention for the first time ever. Why else would ABC pick up the Nebraska game? Because it merited national attention. Most experts pencilled in that game as a very significant game in the Big 12 North. As it turned out, not so much.

But my point is, McCarney has taken the program to a level that merits national attention, and I believe he can take it even further, given the time, and an offensive coordinator with some imagination.

Given the time? OMG are you drunk?

timc243 · 10-24-2006, 03:11 PM

What's wrong with SC, the EB, and Tooth Fairy? Is somebody not telling me something?

frontrangeclone · 10-24-2006, 03:40 PM

don't forget about elves, trolls, and sasquatch.

seriously, if anybody is drinking that kool-aid from the TSN writer this morning, they need to be slapped upside the head! The worry of things worsening if we change coaching regimes is ridiculous... look at the product on the field now! this was supposed to be THE year! blythe and meyer as upperclassmen, veteran line, blah blah blah.... save the "oh but we're in the big 12 and can't compete w/ those teams in the south and nebraska!" then what, should we just join the MAC? we seem to be good enough to beat one of their worst teams I suppose. I've said this before, I realize the nature of the ISU fanbase comes from agricultural roots, hearty, hard working, but CONSERVATIVE folk... we know what we'll get if we keep with current situation... do we keep Mac b/c he's a nice guy? and b/c he did turn around things when ISU was at rock bottom? that's great, and I appreciate what he did, but let's just evaluate things since 2000 to be fair, and to be honest, the 00 and 01 teams were fun, 02 had "tremendous" potential but I wonder if the meltdown the last half of the season is a trend you see with this coaching staff a la 2003 and this current season. 04 and 05 were full of potential, but again, ISU could not get it done when new benchmarks were handed to us on a silver platter. So what really has Dan done with HIS program (since 2000) ?

BigBake · 10-24-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by frontrangeclone

don't forget about elves, trolls, and sasquatch.

seriously, if anybody is drinking that kool-aid from the TSN writer this morning, they need to be slapped upside the head! The worry of things worsening if we change coaching regimes is ridiculous... look at the product on the field now! this was supposed to be THE year! blythe and meyer as upperclassmen, veteran line, blah blah blah.... ?

Where did you ever read/hear this was supposed to be the year? With the holes we had on the defensive side no one was confident in a Big 12 North title...at least I sure as heck wasn't.

cycloneworld · 10-24-2006, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by frontrangeclone

this was supposed to be THE year! blythe and meyer as upperclassmen, veteran line, blah blah blah.... save the "oh but we're in the big 12 and can't compete w/ those teams in the south and nebraska!" then what, should we just join the MAC? we seem to be good enough to beat one of their worst teams I suppose. I've said this before, I realize the nature of the ISU fanbase comes from agricultural roots, hearty, hard working, but CONSERVATIVE folk... we know what we'll get if we keep with current situation... do we keep Mac b/c he's a nice guy? and b/c he did turn around things when ISU was at rock bottom? that's great, and I appreciate what he did, but let's just evaluate things since 2000 to be fair, and to be honest, the 00 and 01 teams were fun, 02 had "tremendous" potential but I wonder if the meltdown the last half of the season is a trend you see with this coaching staff a la 2003 and this current season. 04 and 05 were full of potential, but again, ISU could not get it done when new benchmarks were handed to us on a silver platter. So what really has Dan done with HIS program (since 2000) ?

This was supposed to be the year? With 4 returning defensive starters? And the off-season injuries?

Last year was supposed to be the year.

St8Grad · 10-24-2006, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Five bowls in six years is the start of tradition in my eyes.

But my point is, McCarney has taken the program to a level that merits national attention, and I believe he can take it even further, given the time, and an offensive coordinator with some imagination.

The bowl thing has to be thrown out nowadays. Nearly EVERYBODY goes to a bowl game now! Besides, which bowls did we go to, & did we WIN? Nope.

I agree that DMAC has taken the program to a respectable level of mediocrity, but he can't take it even further because has HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TIME! With that said, we still need a new coordinator.

herbicide · 10-24-2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by BigBake

Where did you ever read/hear this was supposed to be the year? With the holes we had on the defensive side no one was confident in a Big 12 North title...at least I sure as heck wasn't.

The abilities of the defense are absolutely no excuse for the way the offense has played.

The injuries have been unfortunate. But the failure of Berryman and Robo being on the field fall on the shoulders of the staff. Berryman should have been "coached" not to make the mistakes he made (three of them!!!) nor Roberson to take an illegal supplement.

Graduation on the other hand is a part of college football, these things should be accounted for and accomodated by proper recruitment.

I am not saying we should expect a "reload" type of system that the big boys enjoy, but we should not go from the best defense fielded last year to perhaps one of the worst this year.

jbhtexas · 10-24-2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

No, I believe that "Santa Claus" could be compared to some people's vision of the next coach. A figure of pure fantasy who will arrive out of nowhere and take ISU to the rarified air of the USC's and Ohio St.'s of the world.

Well, it's true that Santa overlooked Ames for a long time. They used to say the same thing about the MBB coaching position during the JO era that they are saying about FB now, and then Santa came along and left a couple of coaches that took ISU to the rarefied air of 2 Big 12 MBB titles and the Elite 8.

WBB was so terrible that those fans probably didn't even believe in Santa anymore, but then he came back again left a coach that took WBB to national prominence. Santa also brought a WVB coach who is working on turning that program around, and a gymnastics coach who took ISU to the rarefied air of the women's gymnastics "Final 4".

So, it's not like Santa doesn't come to Ames. IMO, he brought us GMac and CS last year. He can bring us FB coach that will take ISU to next level. But you gotta believe... Gene Smith believed. Gary Thompson believed. I think ADJP does too, and I'm glad, because I liked that brief smell of rarefied air, and I want more...

URBCLONE · 10-24-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by BigBake

Where did you ever read/hear this was supposed to be the year? With the holes we had on the defensive side no one was confident in a Big 12 North title...at least I sure as heck wasn't.

Both JP and DM told us that they viewed this as a 'schedule of opportunity'. Fans polled on this site and others routinely predicted 7 or more wins. Many media outlets had ISU picked to finish second in the North.

I personally predicted 6-6 and got roasted for being pessimistic. Yes, this was supposed to be 'the year' in most fans eyes. That is because of the missed opportunities in '04 and '05.