Jon Cooper

**isu_bub** · 11-19-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by thunderdave

Watch any of the replays of this years games, and you'll see Baum jawing at most opposing players.

I know... I noticed it. I guess I'm fine with that if he doesn't let what he has to say spill over into newspapers....

**thunderdave** · 11-19-2006, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by isu_bub

I know... I noticed it. I guess I'm fine with that if he doesn't let what he has to say spill over into newspapers....

I think what he said was wrong, and I hope he has realized it.

**Costanza** · 11-19-2006, 07:27 PM

I think he probably should have worried about not dropping punts instead of who he was going to trash talk.

**isu_bub** · 11-19-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Costanza

I think he probably should have worried about not dropping punts instead of who he was going to trash talk.

I was going to make that point, but it was too easy :)
Two dropped punts in a row that one time, ugh.

**Cyclonepride** · 11-19-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by CY ST8T

I don't know pride, the thing that Mac had with these fans that are so upset was an actual "personal" relationship and it is not just a matter of liking one guy and when the wins come going with the next. These are people that are former player's parents who have get togethers for coaches and players and are in constant contact with the ISU family. There are big donors with money that are pulling it and it is out of the same loyalty that many people fault Mac on.

I agree that there are a lot of people who really liked Mac on a personal level. Last night after the game, I was writing posts in my head, ready to rip into anyone and everyone who sent Mac on his way. But I didn't, and I don't really care if the new coach is my favorite choice or not, I will argue for his support as well.

**Kramer** · 11-19-2006, 08:09 PM

College athletics, football in particular, is a BUSINESS. There are bills to be paid. Mac will do just fine with the money he has in the bank. He will live to coach another day. I think ISU made the correct BUSINESS decision.

**darts180** · 11-20-2006, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by CY ST8T

A key is also to bring back the ISU fan base. There is a big separation and whether you choose to accept it or not there is a large group I have seen that are upset with Mac leaving. I am not going to argue with you on why he should stay and I am not taking a position that he should. Pollard supposedly gave a speech to the large group of returning football players. I heard that only 3 individuals even clapped when he was done and that several donors have already pulled there annual donations. I just think it will be interesting to see the effect Mac has on our program.

Hmmmmm.....if what you say is true, then Dan is not the uniter, nor taking the high road, all of the "classy" statements then are NOT the case.

I agree the new coach has to win over the Mac people, and I don't see anything wrong with that. But in saying that there is this huge divide speaks to the off the record work that Mac is doing. Excluding Jamie Pollard from post season banquets, holding the football banquet early speaks to a man saying one thing and acting completely different.

**darts180** · 11-20-2006, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

I agree that there are a lot of people who really liked Mac on a personal level. Last night after the game, I was writing posts in my head, ready to rip into anyone and everyone who sent Mac on his way. But I didn't, and I don't really care if the new coach is my favorite choice or not, I will argue for his support as well.

That is all well and good, but the people that are on here talking all this nonsense should never be around when we go to a REAL bowl game in 4 years. We will replace you and your money. There will be plenty to go around when we start to win on a meaningful level. When Shreveport, the 7th tier bowl that we have been informed all these years makes a top program, will not be acceptable. When we go to Dallas for the Cotton Bowl, or San Diego for the Holliday Bowl, these people that you speak of will be right there trying to take their bows.

**Stormin** · 11-20-2006, 02:51 AM

I read Baum's remarks and thought they were a bit childish. I thought the same of donors pulling their money because of Mac's resignation. Coaches come and go, but ISU remains. The Football program at ISU is a collection of all the contributions that Coaches, Players and Fans have made to our program. Mac's supporters need to take the attitude that by withdrawing their support they will actually be destroying what Coach Mac tried to instill at a University that he truly loved.

As Pollard stated, he did not want Mac to go. But BOTH he and Mac realized that Mac had to resign to further the program.

An interesting parallel would be the Biblical story of Moses. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and through the Wilderness for 40 years. However, Moses was NOT allowed to lead them INTO the Promised Land. Same case with Mac.

**woodie** · 11-20-2006, 04:11 AM

cooper has to be about 69. he was one of the older dirty 30,except for dwight nichols.

**avery_larry** · 11-20-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

An interesting parallel would be the Biblical story of Moses. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt and through the Wilderness for 40 years. However, Moses was NOT allowed to lead them INTO the Promised Land. Same case with Mac.

I'm not going to touch that analogy with an apple OR an orange.