Coach C expects player turnover

**Nedrick** · 12-07-2006, 02:43 PM

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He didn't say it has happened, but sounded like he wouldn't be surprised. After hearing some of the stories about Chizik addressing the players, I wouldn't be surprised either. I think he really rattled some cages when he first met with them. I would hope the players would embrace the new structure and discipline, but I guess his style of coaching isn't for everyone.

**Michael Lastuvka** · 12-07-2006, 02:45 PM

Good. Football is a hardass sport, if you can't handle some tough love then it's not the sport for you.

**mike4cy** · 12-07-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Michael Lastuvka

Good. Football is a hardass sport, if you can't handle some tough love then it's not the sport for you.

Later when I hit Welch Avenue I will be drinking to that.

**CyinCo** · 12-07-2006, 02:47 PM

I just learned from the Rag interview that Chizik's dad was in the Marines. I guess that might explain Chizik's miltaristic style while addressing the players. Interesting.

**jbhtexas** · 12-07-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nedrick

I would hope the players would embrace the new structure and discipline, but I guess his style of coaching isn't for everyone.

As strange as this might sound, this player turnover really doesn't concern me. My primary frustration with DM's teams was that IMO they lacked fundamentals and discipline on game day, which played itself out in silly penalties and poor tackling, among other things. I don't know if it was due to a coaching or recruiting problem.

In any case, if ISU hasn't recruited the type of players that are willing to deal with the structure and discipline necessary to take care of these problems, then it is best to part ways and for GC to recruit the players that will work with his system.

It may make for a couple of ugly years right off the bat, but will pay off big time in the long run.

**aeroclone** · 12-07-2006, 03:03 PM

As much as I would like to see the football program on the rise from day one, a little extra rebuilding may be better in the long run. It could be much the same as the changes with basketball. Some players may just not be a fit with the new style and system and it may be better for everyone if they move on.

I would love to see all of the current players stay, but if the situation doesn't work for them they need to do what is best. I think that football is going to have a couple of rough years ahead, but I think in the long run, Chizik will get the job done.

**cycloneworld** · 12-07-2006, 03:30 PM

Any returning starters leaving the program?

**bawbie** · 12-07-2006, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Any returning starters leaving the program?

Other than all the coaches, there have been no announcements of anyone leaving the program.

**GoShow97** · 12-07-2006, 03:58 PM

I would think it would just be human nature to have some players want to leave. I would expect it to happen to some degree. I guess we will find out soon enough and accept that - it is what it is.

The positive is that I don’t really see any major turmoil other than what can be expected when a program changes direction with coaches. Seems like a pretty smooth transaction on the outside looking in. I am looking forward to seeing the end product on the field as we really have not seen a whole lot yet. Although, I do like what I have seen to date.

It would appear that things are in motion and starting to take shape as Coach C starts to put his stamp on things with the ISU football program.

Only time will tell.

**Wesley** · 12-07-2006, 04:46 PM

Run them off like Ron Prince? Use religion on them like Dan Hawkins? Make it a business like Bill Callahan? Times are changin' in the Big 12.

**minnclone99** · 12-07-2006, 04:52 PM

That's great that there is a disciplinarian attitude.

It's also kind of funny how when DMAC showed up during the 94-95 school year, the talk was how everyone had to cut their hair and take out their earrings. A few bad apples left the team as a result. Only a few years later I came to expect sloppy @ss play and lots of dumb mistakes from Week 1.

This fresh air is nice.

**wonkadog** · 12-07-2006, 04:54 PM

So you weren't used to seeing sloppy play when Mac took over back in the mid 90's??

**MINNESOTACYCLONE** · 12-07-2006, 05:16 PM

indeed...

**TykeClone** · 12-07-2006, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by wonkadog

So you weren't used to seeing sloppy play when Mac took over back in the mid 90's??

Sloppy play was an improvement from what we had been seeing.

**Cyclonepride** · 12-07-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

As strange as this might sound, this player turnover really doesn't concern me. My primary frustration with DM's teams was that IMO they lacked fundamentals and discipline on game day, which played itself out in silly penalties and poor tackling, among other things. I don't know if it was due to a coaching or recruiting problem.

In any case, if ISU hasn't recruited the type of players that are willing to deal with the structure and discipline necessary to take care of these problems, then it is best to part ways and for GC to recruit the players that will work with his system.

It may make for a couple of ugly years right off the bat, but will pay off big time in the long run.

ISU under Mac consistently ranked very high in least penalties per game. The timing of the penalties usually sucked, but that may have been more due to always being in a close game.