Bench Bret Meyer?

sdsmith4 · 01-22-2007, 03:24 PM

you don't bench Meyer, all three of the guys are similar QB's, the other ones would be no better than Meyer, given a decent O-Line, Meyer has a shot to make all Big 12, depending on his handle of the offense, he would be an idiot to bench someone with that much experience, nobody in the Big 12 comes close right now experience wise, Arnaud and Bates might be good, but will be even better with a year behind Meyer, they need to sit and grasp the offense now. We don't need a redshirt freshman or true freshman running an offense, I think Meyer has a better shot to grasp the new offense, now if Chizik was bringing in a JUCO I might have a little bit of a second thought to thinking Chizik would do it, but come on!

brianhos · 01-22-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

May as well get this discussion started now as with how many expect our season to go - it will likely come up sometime during the fall.

So, at what point do you go to Arnaud or Bates (if Bates not redshirted)? Or do you at all?

Lets say we're 2-7 - regardless of QB play - do you go to the younger guy to get him ready for '08?

Or if Bret is having troubles - offensive line struggles or not - does he move to #2 in the depth charts?

This thread in no way depicts my thoughts as to if we should make a move or not and I'm well aware that Chizik is more educated to make that choice than any fan - just wanted to start a discussion as to what the members here would like to see happen.

Should be an interesting debate.

Bret could is a great QB, he was just running for his life last year.

ISUCY11 · 01-22-2007, 03:31 PM

I don't know where this talk is coming from...Chizik has been quoted multiple times to say Bret Meyer is one of the better and most talented QBs he's ever seen. He loves the guy, and I have a feeling he will be working the entire offense to project the strengths of Meyer and Blythe.

JJ4ISU · 01-22-2007, 03:36 PM

I would really like a similar situation to what Florida had this year. Play Meyer most of the time, but give whoever the back-up is some important snaps once in a while.

clonomaniac · 01-22-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by sdsmith4

he would be an idiot to bench someone with that much experience, nobody in the Big 12 comes close right now experience wise,

Unless you show your improvement, your experience will not win games for you. Bret Meyer could single-handedly turn things around in home games like Kansas. He was horrible to say the least. The O-line did their job that day, Bret just had a bad bad day. We cannot afford to have Bret's bad days translate into losses in conference play. We have the toughest schedule in big 12.

clonomaniac · 01-22-2007, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

I would really like a similar situation to what Florida had this year. Play Meyer most of the time, but give whoever the back-up is some important snaps once in a while.

I could not agree with you more.

benjay · 01-22-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by JJ4ISU

I would really like a similar situation to what Florida had this year. Play Meyer most of the time, but give whoever the back-up is some important snaps once in a while.

What would this gain us?

benjay · 01-22-2007, 03:46 PM

Seriously, what's with all of the Florida talk? They have two very different style of quarterbacks that complement eachother well in different game situations. We have two similar-styled quarterbacks and I don't see the benefit of playing both. What situations would we use Arnaud for and what situations would Meyer be in?

I realize Florida won a championship, but that doesn't mean they did it the same way any other team could do it.

clonomaniac · 01-22-2007, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

What would this gain us?

Mixing things up is sometimes what it takes to win games.

clonomaniac · 01-22-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

Seriously, what's with all of the Florida talk? They have two very different style of quarterbacks that complement eachother well in different game situations. We have two similar-styled quarterbacks and I don't see the benefit of playing both. What situations would we use Arnaud for and what situations would Meyer be in?

I realize Florida won a championship, but that doesn't mean they did it the same way any other team could do it.

Its not just Florida. Illinois did the same stuff. Granted Illinois sucks either way, but it doesn't hurt to try depending on both QB's when Bret Meyer is clearly having the worst day of his life.

I have not seen Arnaud play yet, I am guessing Bret is a better QB in terms of QB draw than Arnaud. Bret can run, again not sure what Arnaud can do better. There's gotta be something Arnaud can do better than Bret. A good coach will know the difference and use these plays to best of their abilities - something DMac would never do.

ISUFan22 · 01-22-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

What would this gain us?

I think you make a good point, what would it gain us. I view the two new guys coming in as similar to Bret in style of play. In Florida, the two guys down there were quite different. So defenses had to prepare for two different QB styles. They'd still need to prep for 2 guys facing ISU if we went the 2 QB route, yet not near to the level as what you normally see in 2-headed systems. Look at back-up QB's in the NFL - more teams are gravitating to having a completely different style QB as their #2 so they have a bit of an edge as far as the other team changing their preparation (See Seattle and Atlanta). The same type of thing applies when running a dual QB system.

To answer my own questions in this thread - I think Bret is our guy yet needs to be pushed hard in the off-season. Let him know early that no former starter should be comfortable - especially the QB position. As some have mentioned, poor offensive line play and injuries at wide receiver affected his play - yet we still needed to see more from Bret. I think the fact that there was no real thread he'd get pulled had a little to do with that. The competition between Meyer and Flynn was one of the best things to happen to Bret. So I'm hopeful Chizik will instill a bit of that mentality this spring and early fall.

As far as benching him during the season. That really depends on what we see from the young guys, how Bret is performing and a bit of what our record is. As long as we're winning - Bret is easily our guy. Since I don't see us winning more than 4-5 games this year...

I still stick with Bret unless...

- He gives me reason not to.

and

- Arnaud or Bates really impress me.

Regardless, if we're at the end of the season and playing for nothing - I'd like to see the #2 guy on the depth chart to see some minutes. No, I don't want us to abandon Meyer - yet it would be unfair to the team if the next Cyclone QB didn't see some minutes. Especially if that's a guy we're not wasting eligibility on in Arnaud. I'd be torqued if Bates didn't see the field all year until the last couple games should they mean nothing.

benjay · 01-22-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

Mixing things up is sometimes what it takes to win games.

And sometimes it leads to inconsistent play, and not just from the quarterbacks. The rest of the offense has to adjust to which quarterback is in the game, not to mention they are splitting practice time between quarterbacks.

Wesley · 01-22-2007, 04:00 PM

He needs to scramble more efficiently, look off the defense, and step up in the pocket sometimes. He can improve with Fitch's help.

mkadl · 01-22-2007, 04:02 PM

If Brett does not play every snap next year it is because of the following: Injury, or his own lack of improvement, or hopefully a big comfortable lead!!!!!!!!

jparker22 · 01-22-2007, 04:02 PM

Let's not talk like this about the most important position on the field. I get the idea that it is fun to talk about what ifs and such, however we have a good QB who will be on his senior campaign and who likely will have more losses than wins next year. (not what I want but I will have to see to believe.) So lets not sound like those from the east... back Meyer and just enjoy his senior season.