Corey McIntosh - Not So Good

clonomaniac · 02-01-2007, 01:51 PM

What's wrong with criticising the players? Corey Mcintosh is just the kind of player that will attract negative criticism. The reason is he just doesn't have it in him. You can tell who plays with a heart and who doesn't. And then who knows how to play and who doesn't.

ISUFan22 · 02-01-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

What's wrong with criticising the players?.

Nothing is wrong with being critical of players.

What I personally find wrong is asking for the removal of scholarships of men/women in ISU uniforms and things like it.

If we want to come off as the fans that sent Lyndsey Medders hate mail - by all means - continue.

As Cyclone fans, I would hope we'd hold one another to a bit higher standards.

cycloneworld · 02-01-2007, 02:02 PM

I think saying "take away his scholarship" and "I don't think he has the talent to play in the Big 12" are completely different. I think 1 is acceptable and 1 is not.

benjay · 02-01-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

Corey Mcintosh is just the kind of player that will attract negative criticism. The reason is he just doesn't have it in him. You can tell who plays with a heart and who doesn't.

McIntosh has been busting his balls on the court. He may not have the raw talent, but it's not for lack of trying.

benjay · 02-01-2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

I think saying "take away his scholarship" and "I don't think he has the talent to play in the Big 12" are completely different. I think 1 is acceptable and 1 is not.

That's right. We can't discard our ethics when it's convenient if we wish to be recognized as a school and fanbase that has class.

clonomaniac · 02-01-2007, 02:18 PM

Corey can try all he wants, but he still isn't good for playing against big 12 teams like A&M, Kansas, Texas or Tech. He, to my mind, is an average ball handler.

I would never want for anyone to take someone's scholarship away unless you are clearly a mistake. Aaron Agnew was a mistake. Corey is not a mistake.

Corey will grow, but for this year he is just someone trying to learn big 12 basketball. I will criticize him and expect him to grow quicker but it just doesn't seem like he "plays with the heart". That's what frustrates me the most.

benjay · 02-01-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

it just doesn't seem like he "plays with the heart".

That's where we disagree. He may be playing without the talent, but he's leaving it all on the floor.

ISUFan22 · 02-01-2007, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

That's where we disagree. He may be playing without the talent, but he's leaving it all on the floor.

I concur.

I've only witnessed one guy that I felt even remotely wasn't give us his all and that was the old Jiri.

If you want to say Corey isn't playing with confidence I'd agree completely. Yet I won't question his heart or anyone else on this team right now. All of them are fighting as hard as they can.

Sometimes a team with a 2-4 conference record is just going to get beat by the #6 team in the nation.

clonomaniac · 02-01-2007, 02:41 PM

If he played with the heart he wouldn't be causing silly unforced turn overs. And trust me, you don't need talent to stay away from turning over the ball too many times. You just have to know the game of basketball.

I guess to me, playing with the heart means playing with confidence. The only confident guy on the team is Wesley and even he misses the easy layups at times.

tigershoops31 · 02-01-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

If he played with the heart he wouldn't be causing silly unforced turn overs. And trust me, you don't need talent to stay away from turning over the ball too many times. You just have to know the game of basketball.

I guess to me, playing with the heart means playing with confidence. The only confident guy on the team is Wesley and even he misses the easy layups at times.

Playing with heart means playing hard and giving it what you've got all the time. When Corey makes mistakes it is not from a lack of effort or desire to do the right thing. He is a small Big 12 guard playing without confidence, and perhaps more importantly he is playing without a lot of great players around him. I think he is one of those guys that would look a lot better with talent around him. Look at Rahshon...I don't think anybody would argue that he's that type of player too but we've seen firsthand his potential so he doesn't get shredded like CM. Obviously they're at different positions, but any point guard would look better when he had more than 1 or 2 decent scoring options to deliver the ball to on any given possession. If he wasn't playing with heart he wouldn't be playing right now. You can knock his raw ability and some of the decisions, but he plays as hard or harder than anybody, and is constantly looking to the coaches for guidance. I'll take that over the alternative any day.

ISUFan22 · 02-01-2007, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by clonomaniac

If he played with the heart he wouldn't be causing silly unforced turn overs.

So because his ball handling abilities and decision making are not Big 12 caliber - he's not playing with heart?

C'mon...lets not make this more than what it is. We're just getting beat in about all phases.

Physical
Skill
Experience

But I don't see other teams with more heart than we have. If that were the case, we wouldn't have a pair of wins or took Kansas to OT. This team plays hard from start to finish - a credit to the players and big kudos to G-Mac.

Losing is hard on the fans - trust me - I despise it. Somewhere I heard the coaches and players despise it too - sometimes.

By all means, be critical of this team. But please don't question their heart. Being overly critical this year would be like someone that goes to a used car dealership and picks one up for $5000 and expects new car quality.

We knew what we were "buying" this year. Games against MN, Missu, NE and KU just gave us false hope.

Wesley · 02-01-2007, 02:57 PM

Corey needs to pull it together starting the next gaem. We have no one left to call on. He does not dribble that well (better than Mike and more than Dodie), afraid to shoot, does not drive, rarely makes a neat pass. What else does a point guard do? Play defense. He does fine defense. Rahshon does not shoot much. Others pass on open shots. Hey we like a real leader on this team like a Stinson.

Yet, I lay the blame on the coach to get these things tiurned around. We did not look so hot our first ten games, but I thought there was hope after first three Bog 12 games. Then they decided to just shut down Mike and Jiri and NO ONE else stepped up to the plate except maybe Wes who is trying at times. Everone else is a liability for various reasons. Even if you are a freshman, guess what, you have to play like you are representing the team as a senior.

The Big 12 is a guard league. You better bring your good guards and leave the leftovers home. Or you play more forwards and centers if youre guards do not cut the mustard. Mike is a shooter and innovator. Jiri can catch the ball and pass back out. Wes can do many things but slips at times. Dodie has made 10 big shots so far. What else can we count on? The refs? The homecourt advantage? Luck? Opponent injuries? We have to fix getting the ball up the court. We are a total train wreck in getting to the point of actually shooting. Some of our three point attemps are save us from more turnovers. We are just sloppy with the ball. Reminds me of some old recent Nebraska teams - when you turned up the pressure, they just threw the ball everywhere. "Sandlot Plus" ball is what they called it.

clonomaniac · 02-01-2007, 03:19 PM

If you don't have the confidence in you, you can't do it with your heart. Its like saying I am going for the girl I like with all my heart but if I don't have the confidence in me its just NOT enough. Corey maybe playing hard day in and day out, but he is not confident. It hurts me the most to say it, but I see the fear in him. He is the one I rooted for since day 1 to be honest. He is a great speaker, he just stood out in that video clip from any other player. I still like him, I just want him to play like he owns the court. I am sorry but I just don't see that. Corey proved me wrong about him.

Having said that, I know he will get better. He is EXTREMELY coachable, unlike guys like Stinson. Not that we really had a coach back then but whatever.