Who has a lower basketball IQ than Mike Taylor?

**dbronco7sc** · 02-06-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by CLONE2THEBONE

The shot before 1/2 pretty much sums up the type of player that he is.

I understand the frustration... but right before that shot... he looked at McD directly in the eye... McD told him what to do (must have been talking to him for 15 seconds or so)... and I think he did what he was told. So I can't blame him for doing what he did.

And we all need to realize this team does not have experience... that is so much bigger than we all realize... except for Rahshon and Jiri (and Marsden and Gray who don't get all that much PT) the rest of our primary lineup is new to D1 basketball... having a team of 4 or 5 seniors... or at least juniors... that's usually where the big NCAA teams come from. Even if we brought nobody new in next year... I think we would be a better team... if nothing other than the experience and confidence!

**ISUFan22** · 02-06-2007, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

I understand the frustration... but right before that shot... he looked at McD directly in the eye... McD told him what to do (must have been talking to him for 15 seconds or so)... and I think he did what he was told. So I can't blame him for doing what he did.

Exactly. Nice observation that I completely forgot about.

**jahfg** · 02-06-2007, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Exactly. Nice observation that I completely forgot about.

I may be wrong but I think you are remembering when McIntosh did that. I remember looking at McDermott hold up one finger after the offensive rebound to signal one shot. He then held up a fist which I believe is when Taylor gets a double screen at the top of the key. If you think McDermott wanted him to take a contested three point shot, you are crazy. You don't tell your player while the game is going on to be the one to shoot it. The play is designed to let Mike take what he can get. Either come off the screen for an open three (it wasn't open), drive and score (or draw a foul), or drive and dish for the three. Mike had it in his mind that he was going to be the hero at the end of the half. There was no way that ball was coming out of his hands. That is the exact definition of low basketball IQ.

**Johnny8** · 02-06-2007, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by CLONE2THEBONE

The thing that really pisses me off is this team has some talent. More than many teams that have handed us our arse.

Mike Taylor---If controlled, would be very good
Jiri---having a breakout year, has been steady
Wesley---very good, right now, double/double
Clark---does the dirty work

The above team should be far, far better than we are.

I hope you are joking when you say that we should be far, far better than we are. Let's step back a minute and look at this objectively.

Mike Taylor---Everyone on every team we play knows if he doesn't create, then the team doens't create (more or less)
Jiri----The only player that can score from the post (we have to get him the ball somehow)
Wesley---Yes, he's good, but he's a freshman, and hence makes freshman mistakes
Clark---Can't create his own shot

Now, match up these players with fellow Big XII players who are generally bigger, stronger, and more experienced and I believe you call that a mismatch. That's why we were picked to finish 11th in the conference.

Yes, we do have a lot of talent in those four, but not top caliber Big XII talent just yet. Every team we play wants to win every game they play and many of those teams have really good players. I think were all getting a little giddy after a few losses. Lets all just take a step back and look at reality.

**cybsball20** · 02-06-2007, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by jahfg

I may be wrong but I think you are remembering when McIntosh did that. I remember looking at McDermott hold up one finger after the offensive rebound to signal one shot. He then held up a fist which I believe is when Taylor gets a double screen at the top of the key. If you think McDermott wanted him to take a contested three point shot, you are crazy. You don't tell your player while the game is going on to be the one to shoot it. The play is designed to let Mike take what he can get. Either come off the screen for an open three (it wasn't open), drive and score (or draw a foul), or drive and dish for the three. Mike had it in his mind that he was going to be the hero at the end of the half. There was no way that ball was coming out of his hands. That is the exact definition of low basketball IQ.

By the time Taylor came off that second screen there was about two seconds left and NEITHER of the screeners had moved, that is exactly WHY the shot was contested by two guys. If one had rolled to the basket and the other floated to the top then the play may have worked. As it was, had Taylor tried to make a pass off the second screen not only would it have gone no where but we wouldnt have even gotten a shot off at all...

**ISUFan22** · 02-06-2007, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

By the time Taylor came off that second screen there was about two seconds left and NEITHER of the screeners had moved, that is exactly WHY the shot was contested by two guys.

Thank you.

Mike holds a love/hate relationship with many fans - and I'm not excluded from that. Sometimes he has moments of brilliance and others not so much. We need him otherwise we'd have far fewer wins.

IMO, regardless, to make some of the references toward him I've read here and other places - has no better of an IQ than what he's being accused of having.

**jahfg** · 02-07-2007, 12:00 AM

That is why you don't start the play with 8 seconds to go. Once again, no basketball IQ. I think you are confused about the term double screen. He wasn't coming off two screens but has a choice at the top of the key to go right or left off one screen. There are also two wing guys waiting for the kick. ISUFan22, you said you were a wrestler? It's showing.

**Johnny8** · 02-07-2007, 12:05 AM

In my humble opinion I would have to say that McDermott's idea was to start the play with only 8 seconds remaining because the worst case scenerio is that you don't score, but if you start the play with more than 8 seconds left there is a good chance that the other team might score.

No, we didn't get the shot we wanted, but Missouri played well defensively on that play, and a wild shot is better than not getting a shot off. However, I do believe Taylor should have drove to the basket rather than launching the 3 as he had about 5 seconds left on the clock (if I recall correctly).

**jahfg** · 02-07-2007, 12:09 AM

I obviously don't speak for McDermott but usually you want to start the play with about 10 seconds and take the shot with 4-5 seconds remaining so there is a chance for an offensive rebound (much like the game at Mizzou). Also, if the shot is taken with about 4 seconds to go, there is very little chance that the opposing team will have an opportunity to score even if they get the rebound.

**ISUFan22** · 02-07-2007, 12:16 AM

Meh...this is getting really old...beating one play into the ground like this. Especially when it happened in the first half, we were within 3 in the 2nd half and lost by 22.

If you're curious as to why the heck Greg or one of his players did something - call the show Monday night.

**dbronco7sc** · 02-07-2007, 12:21 AM

I'm 99% positive (front row while watching this and confirm with my roommate who was six rows from bottom) that Taylor had the ball near half court (closer to the left side than right from Taylor's point of view looking at the hoop) Stood there forever listening to McDermott. I thought he was going to get 5 seconds until somebody informed me that when nobody's guarding you close it's okay. Then eventually he shot from the right side of the court... there was time to rebound as I agree with Johnny8 that there was about 3.5 seconds left when the ball was rebounded.

I could see McD telling him to take a three with guys crashing the boards for a chance at a putback with about 3 seconds left... which is what happened except we didn't get the rebound.

**coachdags** · 02-07-2007, 12:26 AM

Mike was supposed to flash past the screen by Jiri , Jiri then flashes down to the box, Wesley pops up to the free throw line for the ball ...Wesley 1st Option, Jiri 2nd, Mike 3rd...

What is Mac to do? bench Mike T (I want him to) he does not have anyone else....

Down 4 Schollies this year 3 + (Alex Thompson)....

We do not have the players....yet

Did anyone catch the end of Neb vs Texas Tech...I'm sure Bobby K does not teach B ball the way that game ended save the ball at your own end , up by one, give the other team a chance to win..?

Kids SCREW up..! Coaches continue to TEACH

**MaxPower57** · 02-07-2007, 12:45 AM

This team has some cogs to be successful, but for a basketball team to be successful they need a successful backcourt. We have some sort of inside game surprisingly, and that should only improve with Brackins and Thompson. Our midrange/small forwards are also solid with Clark and Wes.

We just need a couple of adequate backcourt players. The problem is, those guys aren't here yet. We need a spot shooter and a ballhandler. Dunson could be that shooter, but we'll see. Our future success depends on Diante Garrett being a true blue PG and any from the assortment of Dunson/Eikmeier/Staiger to be that spot shooter.

To quote Axl Rose, "We just need a lil' patience"

**bfeil** · 02-07-2007, 12:58 AM

A year ago, people were saying similar things about Wayne Morgan...they were questioning him why we werent winning. That was Waynes 5th year, this is Gmacs first year! He only had half the time to recruit. I believe he is slowly but steadily improving the players we have right now. People must remember that it takes time to make a strong basketball program. also who else would Gmac play over mike taylor. Dodie is not ready to be thrown into big games and be crushed as a freshman and potentially have it be on his mind for the rest of his time at ISU.

We werent expected to win a single game this year...just remember that after every game.

**darts180** · 02-07-2007, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by bfeil

A year ago, people were saying similar things about Wayne Morgan...they were questioning him why we werent winning. That was Waynes 5th year, this is Gmacs first year! He only had half the time to recruit. I believe he is slowly but steadily improving the players we have right now. People must remember that it takes time to make a strong basketball program. also who else would Gmac play over mike taylor. Dodie is not ready to be thrown into big games and be crushed as a freshman and potentially have it be on his mind for the rest of his time at ISU.

We werent expected to win a single game this year...just remember that after every game.

Nice job. Except it was only Wayne's third year. I can understand your confusion, we do tend to let coaches stay too damn long, but that seems to only be in football.