Too much from the officials last night & a CBS beef

ISUFan22 · 03-23-2007, 08:47 AM

As I watched the games last night, I witnessed the officials have too much of an impact on the games and moreso - inconsistency in the calls.

Kansas benefited from some calls early and one later in the game I think. Tennessee and OSU were officiated with just odd foul calls (or not) throughout the game. And of course, the time that ran off the clock at the end of the A&M/Memphis game was just strange.

Even if the refs felt the ball never hit the line and was out only once it had hit the sideline desk - that's still not 1.3 seconds.

Just very strange.

I've been very happy with the CBS coverage of this tournament. While some announcers can be a bit annoying - the overall coverage and timing of game switches has been great. I haven't missed many great moments.

Having said that, where in the heck was the score ticker last night? We did have 2 games going on at the same time, did we not? Yet it wasn't present for the 1st or 2nd set of games.

I'd love to know why that was....

cycloneworld · 03-23-2007, 08:52 AM

Agreed about the KU game.

Also, the foul called on A&M with 3.1 seconds left was awful...sure the guys arm was on the guy's chest but you can't make that call with 3 seconds left...

Also, taking over 1 second off the clock baffled me (and the announcers).

chuckd4735 · 03-23-2007, 08:55 AM

Acctually, during the second game (OSU and Tenn.) the announers said once they relooked at the play, they agreed with the 1.1 seconds getting taken off, since the ball had bounced in bounds once before going out of bounds. Also, IMO, a foul is a foul, it does not matter if there is 3 minutes left or there is 3 seconds left. The game is not over until the final buzzer goes off.

cycloneworld · 03-23-2007, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Also, IMO, a foul is a foul, it does not matter if there is 3 minutes left or there is 3 seconds left.

That's not how games are officiated though. You are all for a ref calling a marginal foul in the last 5 seconds rather than let the actual players determine the outcome of the game?

Jerry1982 · 03-23-2007, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Even if the refs felt the ball never hit the line and was out only once it had hit the sideline desk - that's still not 1.3 seconds.

Only the tivo knows. I was guessing about 1.0 seconds based on replays. 1.1 seconds was fine by my account.

The foul with 3.1 seconds was significant. So I'm saying from 5.0 seconds left in the game to 2.0 seconds left in the game, I thought the officiating was right on.

herbiedoobie · 03-23-2007, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

That's not how games are officiated though. You are all for a ref calling a marginal foul in the last 5 seconds rather than let the actual players determine the outcome of the game?

Well, if the "actual players" commit a foul, I'd say that calling said foul would be "letting the actual players determine the outcome of the game."

Unless there is some rule that says that players can cheat and foul at will at the end of the game?

ISUFan22 · 03-23-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Acctually, during the second game (OSU and Tenn.) the announers said once they relooked at the play, they agreed with the 1.1 seconds getting taken off, since the ball had bounced in bounds once before going out of bounds. Also, IMO, a foul is a foul, it does not matter if there is 3 minutes left or there is 3 seconds left. The game is not over until the final buzzer goes off.

I agree a foul is a foul no matter what the clock states. You are 100% and often times announcers go so far the other way on this it makes me wonder why officials are allowed on the floor in the final minutes.

I did find a number of inconsistent calls during all the games. That foul near the end on Oden when someone ran into him? What was that? (not an Oden fan, btw)

It seemed very strange last night...

travman23 · 03-23-2007, 09:22 AM

The only things I really noticed was in the KU game they missed a couple shot clock violations. One time the KU player clearly had the ball in his hand and you heard the buzzer go off before he ever dunked it. The A&M game baffled me a little. I thought 1.1 was a little to much for a bang-bang play. Maybe .5 at the most as I thought the bounce and swat out of bounds were very quick. In the OSU game I think there were a couple questionable calls, especially Oden's 4th where that guy basically "bounced" off him when it looked like the Tennessee player initiated the contact and Oden had his hands up in the air trying to avoid it. That usually is a no-call situation.

For the most part though I thought the officiating was fairly good. Were just good games all around last night.

cycloneworld · 03-23-2007, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by herbiedoobie

Well, if the "actual players" commit a foul, I'd say that calling said foul would be "letting the actual players determine the outcome of the game."

Unless there is some rule that says that players can cheat and foul at will at the end of the game?

Like I said, this is for the marginal calls.

And I don't think there is such a rule.

travman23 · 03-23-2007, 09:26 AM

Oh yeah, and we got to hear "early onions!" in 2 games last night too! :)

zmanzbo · 03-23-2007, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Having said that, where in the heck was the score ticker last night? We did have 2 games going on at the same time, did we not? Yet it wasn't present for the 1st or 2nd set of games.

I'd love to know why that was....

You were probably watching it in HD. For some reason the SD feed had the ticker but the HD one didn't.

joepublic · 03-23-2007, 09:34 AM

I thought the refs clearly made the correct call in the A&M Memphis game regarding the time left at the end of the game. That ball wasn't out of play until it hit the person sitting out of bounds and that looked like it took a good second at least. Good job.

mharder · 03-23-2007, 09:39 AM

[quote=ISUFan22;109062]As I watched the games last night, I witnessed the officials have too much of an impact on the games and moreso - inconsistency in the calls.

Were you expecting something different from the way the regular season was officiated?

ISUFan22 · 03-23-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by zmanzbo

You were probably watching it in HD. For some reason the SD feed had the ticker but the HD one didn't.

Well, that's quite interesting. Thanks for the explanation!

jbhtexas · 03-23-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

That's not how games are officiated though. You are all for a ref calling a marginal foul in the last 5 seconds rather than let the actual players determine the outcome of the game?

The players are determining the outcome of the game. They are the ones committing fouls and putting the officials in the position of having to make calls. If you don't want the whistle to blow, don't do something that can be intepreted as breaking the rules of the game. If you can't guard your guy and have to grab him or impede him as he's flying by you on the way to scoring the buzzer-beating winning basket, why should the officials bail you out and let you foul, marginal or not??? It's not their fault that you can't guard your man within the rules of the game. So yes, I am very much for officials calling fouls when they occur, no matter when in the game they occur.

Consider this...Team B commits a "marginal" shooting foul against Team A in the first half. The officials make the call and award FTs (a scoring opportunity) to Team A, which scores at the FT line. Team A commits the same "marginal" shooting foul against Team B on the last play of a tie game. Why should Team B not be awarded the same opportunity to score points, as team Team A was earlier? The game is won by scoring the most points. To permit one scoring opportunity and deny the other just because of when the foul occurs is completely hypocritical in game that is supposed to be fair.

This idea that officials should swallow their whistles at the end of the game and allow things to happen that they didn't allow to happen earlier in the contest makes a mockery of the game iteself.