Ferentz vs. Chizik...who would you take?

**darts180** · 04-09-2007, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Hawk4Life24

Alright if I answer this I have a feeling that this could start a nice banter between fan bases but what the hell.

Brian earned his scholarship to the University of Iowa as a football player. If he wasn't on scholarship he wouldn't have been able to partcipate in some of the special benefits that scholarship players receive. For example training table is the biggest benefit, along with special academic support and tutors. There are also other little things but I'm not going into the details of a scholarship athlete vs. a walk-on. The monthly stipend he received could have been used for housing but how he spends it is his own business.

Sure his Dad is a football coach who makes millions of dollars but he is not dependent upon his father once he was in college. It was Kirk's way of telling him that you need to earn some things and hard work can go a long way. He could've remained in the dorms but he choose to live in the section 8 housing. Under the guidelines he qualified for the apartments and he was granted one. Now sure there may have been other people in situations a little more desperate than Brian but c'mon just because his Dad makes all that money doesn't mean he is still receiving a weekly allowance from Dad.

Now what he did I don't necessarily agree with but I get tired of hearing about how his Dad makes so much money but yet he didn't receive any money from him for school.

Actually, the biggest problem was that what they did was wrong. Technically, they did not violate the rule, that is true. But to have the rotating leases passed down from the players, and keeping people with families from having the opportunity to live in a better situation. they certainly violated the spirit of the rule. What you have to remember is that they had a housing allowance, and due to the "arrangement" they were able to pocket a great deal of money.

I do agree with you that Ferentz's salary is irrelevant in this discussion. It speaks more the character of Brian, which definitely took a hit in this whole incident.

**Cyclonepride** · 04-09-2007, 10:10 PM

Ferentz is not washed up by any means. Iowa is simply a program that has the potential, with a good coach, to jump up and play with the big boys once every couple of years, and be merely good or average on the other years.

I am very happy that Chizik chose Iowa State, so I wouldn't trade him for anyone at this point. With his resume, he could've gone a lot of other places.

**ISUFan22** · 04-09-2007, 10:10 PM

Parent income plays a big part in how much benefit you get from the school. KF's income was huge to say the least.

Why in this case are those treated separate?

Seems quite convenient...

**iccyfan** · 04-10-2007, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Stormin

iccyfan,
Have you ever asked Kirk how he could be making a couple million per year and let his son Brian live in HUD housing while pocketing his stipend money from the University of Iowa?
That exhibited a lack of character for Kirk as far as I am concerned. I thought that was really sleazy.

Stormin - I assume that's a rhetorical question, but if not, I've never spoken with KF about the housing debacle. He's well aware that I'm a Cyclone alum and supporter; I genuinely like the guy so I'm not going to antagonize him!

In any case, one of the things I like about the family is they let their kids live a normal life, and the two kids that I know well do not "put on airs", wear nice clothes or drive fast cars. Heck, their HS Junior was umpiring recreational boy's baseball games last summer for eight bucks / game and he drives a "beater"! My take on the situation is that their son (Brian) wanted to live with his friends and team-mates in an off-campus apartment and they let him do it. I'm sure they'd have acted differently had they known what a furor would errupt, but they were allowing their son to be a normal college student. I'm pretty sure they said as much immediately following the Register's story and didn't make any excuses about it.

I reiterate my stance that Cyclone fans will be very proud if, eight years from now, Coach Chizik has paralled the job KF has done for our EIU brethren!

Disclaimer time: I'm not a hawk apologist! I hate the hawks and bask in their every defeat on the gridiron. Every year, I hope that KF will leave the unappreciative weasels and take a different job, as they're undeserving of such a solid coach!

**cycloneworld** · 04-10-2007, 10:00 AM

*cycloneworld steps up to his soapbox*

Why are we continuously talking about the University of Iowa? I understand they are our rivals but they aren't even a conference rival.

Where are all of the threads talking about Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Colorado, and Missouri? These are the games that matter!

I'm all for the occasional discussion topic but there are new threads daily about that other school.

No wonder Iowa fans think we have a complex with them...

*steps off soapbox*

Sorry...that has been building for awhile now.

**jparker22** · 04-10-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone62

Hawk, I think the biggest problem is that when you file your FAFSA reports, your parents (according to the government) are expected to pay for I think at least 30% of your tuition/room and board, etc. If this wasn't taken into account when he took the HUD housing, then there's a problem. If it was, and he still qualified over the other people vying for that same thing, then there is no problem at all in my eyes. It all just depends on how it was gone about, and if he got "special treatment" because of who he is to get that housing.

Originally Posted by ISUFan22

Parent income plays a big part in how much benefit you get from the school. KF's income was huge to say the least.

Why in this case are those treated separate?

Seems quite convenient...

The problem with the housing thing is that it has nothing to do with parents' income. As an adult those players have the right to apply for government assisted housing since they have no reported income. Or very low eported income. I think it is sleazy and I would assume that most people think the same, but by the letter of the law they did nothing wrong. They did however manipulate the system and the NCAA should have stepped in to make an example or at least revise thier rules on this to prevent needy families from being put on longer waiting lists for housing. A deplorable act that I would be ashamed of if it were my son, and I would guess that KF was.

To the point of the thread...right now I would take Chizik, love his credentials. Ask me again in 4 years though...no wait I'll take whoever is the Cyclone coach then too. I don't want a black and yellow football coach over here unless it's for an old fashioned *ss kicking on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah Haw...I'm all hopped up on Diet Dew!
*guns firing in background*

**herbicide** · 04-10-2007, 10:17 AM

What about this? What would the NCAA and its crazy rules say about Ferentz giving his son financial support? He could not do that to any other player on the team.

Brian may have very well been on his own due to some stupid NCAA rule. Makes sense to me, anyway

**CYdTracked** · 04-10-2007, 10:29 AM

I think it's unfair to compare the 2 right now. Chizik has yet to coach 1 game as a head coach and Ferentz has been to several good bowls including a BCS bowl plus recruited several guys that are starters in the NFL now. Two of those guys just won a super bowl.

Obviously the homer answer is we think we have the better guy but realistically if you were unbiased and looking to pick which guy you want to coach your program you'd take the proven and expirienced Ferentz.

Iowa has had a couple "down" years but right now if ISU's down year was going to the Alamo bowl I could live with that for now.

**DaddyMac** · 04-10-2007, 10:46 AM

Excellent post.

I can't stand iowa. But I do like Captain Kirk. He seems like a class act to me, and I don't see an arrogance about him at all.

In fact, because of him I find myself being able to pull for iowa in games where I really don't care otherwise. Something that cannot be said about his predacessor, or his former counterpart on the mbb team.

Unfortunately, their fans often get in the way of my good will.

**BryceC** · 04-10-2007, 10:54 AM

I love Kirk. Fantastic coach.

But I guess another question is, do we have to pay his 4 million salary? I don't know if ISU can absorb that kind of financial hit.

**iowast8fan** · 04-10-2007, 11:09 AM

No question or comparison. Kirk Ferentz is the choice at this point. Why would you take a coach who has never coached a BCS team as the head coach over a guy who has proven success? Right now, it is Ferentz or you are wearing cardinal and gold glasses. After a few years of Chizik, we can make a real choice as to who the better coach is.

**RedStorm** · 04-10-2007, 11:55 AM

Right now I would say Ferentz....

Chizik has not even walked the sideline or calle a play for ISU...I am excited, but we stiil have not seen anything yet. This would be a good quest to ask in 3 or 4 years from now....

**tube1** · 04-10-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin

iccyfan,

Have you ever asked Kirk how he could be making a couple million per year and let his son Brian live in HUD housing while pocketing his stipend money from the University of Iowa?

That exhibited a lack of character for Kirk as far as I am concerned. I thought that was really sleazy.

Who of us has purchased a beverage in another state and returned the container for the deposit in Iowa? We'd better wipe the windows of our own glass houses before we start slinging crap at other's.

**acs4isu** · 04-10-2007, 12:13 PM

I'll take Ditka...

**cyclonenum1** · 04-10-2007, 12:53 PM

Personally, I would choose the unknown potential of Chizik over the known quantity of Ferentz.

Ferentz is a pretty average coach over the long haul if you look at his record. 11 years as head coach with a 67-64 (55-43 at Iowa) record...that is pretty "average" in my book. He has "hung his hat" and increased his pay based upon the three year stretch he had at Iowa from 2002-2004 (11, 10, and 10 wins). Obviously, those were great seasons. But looking over his entire 11 year career, those would appear to be the anomalies...not the norm. He has only coached in one BCS bowl game and USC handed Iowa their ***** in that game...it really was never a contest.

I always love the talk from the hawk fans that Ferentz is such a great coach that he is continually being "courted" for other opportunities. The reality is that there is absolutely no proof that this is happening anywhere but in the very active minds of the delusional hawk fan that is trying to justify to himself why they are paying so much for an average coach.

We don't know what the future holds for the Chizik era at ISU but I am willing to take his potential for greatness over a known average coach in Ferentz.