Dale Jr loses 100 pts

**cycloneworld** · 05-16-2007, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

The spirit that it was founded on was bringing your hotrod to the track and trying to beat the other guy. That meant getting whatever technical edge you could find. Over the years they have taken the car out of the equation. They are all the exact same. They are trying to make it a driver's series, the problem is, any monkey can drive a NASCAR race. Drive straight, turn left, repeat.

This is so far off-base it isn't even funny. Obviously you don't know a lot about NASCAR and how it works. The teams that have put the most testing into the new COT are blowing away the others. Hendrick spent tons of money and tons of R&D time on the COT. Joe Gibbs Racing spent a ton as well. Both are showing that in the actual races as Hendrick MS has won EVERY COT race with Hamlin and Stewart of Gibbs Racing having excellent showings as well.

Also, does "getting whatever technical edge you could find" include cheating?

Lastly, I would argue that most people want it to be a driver's seriers.

**HILLCYD** · 05-16-2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

This is so far off-base it isn't even funny. Obviously you don't know a lot about NASCAR and how it works. The teams that have put the most testing into the new COT are blowing away the others. Hendrick spent tons of money and tons of R&D time on the COT. Joe Gibbs Racing spent a ton as well. Both are showing that in the actual races as Hendrick MS has won EVERY COT race with Hamlin and Stewart of Gibbs Racing having excellent showings as well.

Also, does "getting whatever technical edge you could find" include cheating?

Lastly, I would argue that most people want it to be a driver's seriers.

I know ALOT about NASCAR and how it works. The fact that finding a technical edge is called cheating MAKES MY POINT FOR ME. The series was founded on different drivers and crews beating other drivers and crews. Later it was about different manufacturers beating others. Now it is how much R&D you do so you know whether or not to take a pound of air out of the front left tire.

A DRIVER's SERIES. Don't make me laugh. It doesn't take a whole hell of a lot to drive those cars on most NASCAR courses. I had the pleasure of driving an ARCA style car, not too tough. Why do you think they have ringers for the standard NASCAR driver when they go to what they call a road course?

Bottom line, you seem to know some stuff about NASCAR today, but very little about it's history or motorsports in general.

**CYdTracked** · 05-16-2007, 09:00 AM

WHO TV - Des Moines: What's Bugging Andy? Go to the 2/18 clip. Yeah, that's what I think of NASCAR too. I could grab a case of beer and a lawnchair and sit next to I-35 and watch the cars go by and get about the same enjoyment as I would watching NASCAR.

**cycloneworld** · 05-16-2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

The series was founded on different drivers and crews beating other drivers and crews. Later it was about different manufacturers beating others. Now it is how much R&D you do so you know whether or not to take a pound of air out of the front left tire.

All of those still apply to Nascar today. The crew/driver is just as important as the car. When they run a plate race, all of the cars are basically identical but you still see the same teams and the same drivers win. Its because their team is better than other teams, drivers included. Sure R&D plays a big part in Nascar...its evolution of the sport. The NFL is completely different now than it was when they were running around with no helmets on. Are you bashing the NFL because they now make their players were them? Same concept with Nascar, the car has evolved to make it much safer.

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

Bottom line, you seem to know some stuff about NASCAR today, but very little about it's history or motorsports in general.

I don't really care much about the history of Nascar. Its completely different since it when "national" so I don't care about when they used to drink beer when racing down in Southern Alabama...I care about what Nascar is now. And whether you like it or not, it appeals to many more people now that it did 10 years ago.

**brianhos** · 05-16-2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Also, does "getting whatever technical edge you could find" include cheating?

Yep, it is cheating. Bending the rules to get an advantage is cheating. Everyone is villifying Bonds and he did not even break the rules to get his edge. He just used flax seed injections to hit all those homers!

**psycln11** · 05-16-2007, 01:28 PM

I'm holding out until HONDA, like Toyota, joins NASCAR!!!

Then and only then will I pick my favorite left hand turn driver.

**cycloneworld** · 05-16-2007, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by psycln11

I'm holding out until HONDA, like Toyota, joins NASCAR!!!

Then and only then will I pick my favorite left hand turn driver.

With Toyota's steller debut, I think you may be waiting awhile.

**Incyte** · 05-16-2007, 01:36 PM

i think the success of NASCAR speaks for itself. It's far superior to other motorsports, at least according to the American consumer of motorsport entertainment.

**psycln11** · 05-16-2007, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

With Toyota's steller debut, I think you may be waiting awhile.

Give them time, it took Dodge a while to get into the swing of things when they re-joined NASCAR.

**Incyte** · 05-16-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by travman23

WHO TV - Des Moines: What's Bugging Andy? Go to the 2/18 clip. Yeah, that's what I think of NASCAR too. I could grab a case of beer and a lawnchair and sit next to I-35 and watch the cars go by and get about the same enjoyment as I would watching NASCAR.

You don't like NASCAR? How not interesting. I don't why people continually have to express this. Just ignore the thread cowboy.

**Incyte** · 05-16-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

With Toyota's steller debut, I think you may be waiting awhile.

Toyota will be fine. They've done very well in the truck series and I expect Toyota to be a factor in the next several years.

**brianhos** · 05-16-2007, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

i think the success of NASCAR speaks for itself. It's far superior to other motorsports, at least according to the American consumer of motorsport entertainment.

You are leaving it up the american consumer to tell you what is the best? Lemmings were not just a fun little game you played on your commodore 64.

**HILLCYD** · 05-16-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Incyte

i think the success of NASCAR speaks for itself. It's far superior to other motorsports, at least according to the American consumer of motorsport entertainment.

The American public does not determine what is superior by their TV watching habits. (See the network TV schedule)

Here are the facts, NASCAR fans are not motorsports fans, they are just NASCAR fans. NASCAR is a dumbed down, commericized version of motorsports, like so many other things the general American public prefers.

**Incyte** · 05-16-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

The American public does not determine what is superior by their TV watching habits. (See the network TV schedule)

Here are the facts, NASCAR fans are not motorsports fans, they are just NASCAR fans. NASCAR is a dumbed down, commericized version of motorsports, like so many other things the general American public prefers.

Typically arguments that start out as "these are the facts . . . " end up being pretty fun.

It's hard to deny that enteratainment value of NASCAR. Just ask those that buy tv ad rates, sell tickets to their tracks, or sign sponsorship deals.

**cycloneworld** · 05-16-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by cys_av8r

Here are the facts, NASCAR fans are not motorsports fans, they are just NASCAR fans. NASCAR is a dumbed down, commericized version of motorsports, like so many other things the general American public prefers.

Here are the facts: NASCAR is a freaking cash cow so they must be doing something right.

Maybe other motorsports should follow their lead. That or realize they will never be as popular.

Here are more facts, fans of other motorsports are jealous of NASCAR.